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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A woman has been found guilty of raping two women

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AngelicaSchuylerAndHerSisters · 24/01/2023 13:23

A woman has been found guilty of raping two women when she was a man. Happened in Scotland. She hasn’t been sentenced yet - but where will she serve her sentence? In the womens prison?!
This is going to mean some serious discussions and tough times for the Scottish government. But it was surely only a matter of time before something like this happened.

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powershowerforanhour · 24/01/2023 15:21

Let me know when the inevitable class action ensues and the prison service get sued by all the women who are physically and sexually assaulted and mentally intimidated by violent male prisoners. I'll donate to the crowdfunder for a team of hotshot pitbull lawyers to make mincemeat of the defence.

SinnerBoy · 24/01/2023 15:22

Probablymagrat · Today 15:20

I don't personally give a flying fuck if he is vulnerable in prision, I don't believe that he is, but if he is other vulnerable men are housed in male prisons. If they can keep ex police officers and other sex offenders safe, they can keep him safe.

They have a number of prisons, which are dedicated entirely to sex offenders. The thing should go to one of those.

SinnerBoy · 24/01/2023 15:23

onitlikeacarbonnet

I have a genuine question for those of you who are better informed than I am. Can someone explain why it’s only women who are angry about this?!?

I'm not a woman and there are several other men, who post here. I'm fucking outraged.

Waitwhat23 · 24/01/2023 15:24

TerfOnATrain · 24/01/2023 15:20

I do wonder how many men would still identify as women after being convicted for violent or sexual offences if they knew they were going to be holed up in an entirely TIM wing.

Perhaps that’s what we need to do to protect women and not pamper to their trans ideology.

After all, they will be all girls together and therefore safe away from these nasty men…won’t they?

An older article but I haven't seen any evidence that the SPS have changed from this stance -

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16861416.scottish-prison-service-rejects-call-transgender-wings-jails/

JadeLemonade · 24/01/2023 15:24

OnTheRoadAgain1 · 24/01/2023 14:24

The article I read actually says 'her penis'. HER penis?

The world has gone mad. Very convenient the rapist started transitioning post rapes and pre-sentencing.

And it’s very clearly visible in those pink leggings pictured in the article! 😱

LizzieSiddal · 24/01/2023 15:24

This link says he’s being remanded in a women’s prison.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11670803/Transgender-woman-guilty-raping-two-women-man.html

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/01/2023 15:25

SinnerBoy · 24/01/2023 13:40

zen1 · Today 13:24

Will this man’s crimes therefore be recorded as being committed by a woman?

The, erm, person wasn't claiming to be a woman when they committed the rapes. If they are sent to a womens' prison, it'll be even more of a travesty than the other cases.

To be honest, it will be completely as standard. There are multiple rapists who did not identify as women when they committed their crimes, who are never-the-less in women's prisons.

First up, 'Jessica Winfield', formerly Martin Ponting, who raped two girls under 16. Martin changed name to Jessica and got moved to HMP Bronzefield, a women's prison.
www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20180603/281749860039697

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 24/01/2023 15:25

powershowerforanhour · 24/01/2023 15:21

Let me know when the inevitable class action ensues and the prison service get sued by all the women who are physically and sexually assaulted and mentally intimidated by violent male prisoners. I'll donate to the crowdfunder for a team of hotshot pitbull lawyers to make mincemeat of the defence.

Same here. We all need to throw our full support behind the women that have to live with the reality of this utter fucking bullshit.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2023 15:26

I agree with pp. Sign the Sex Matters Equality Act petition. Ask everyone you know to sign it.

crosspusscrossstitcher · 24/01/2023 15:26

Madness.

Sheer fucking madness, and if I say what I want to I'll be banned.

Waitwhat23 · 24/01/2023 15:27

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 24/01/2023 15:25

Same here. We all need to throw our full support behind the women that have to live with the reality of this utter fucking bullshit.

I hate to say it but there already has been. The MOJ decided that the right for transwomen prisoners to socialise with women was more important than women's safety, dignity and wellbeing -

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prison-policy-judicial-review-ruling-confirms-trans-rights-do-conflict-with-womens-rights/

Namechangedforthisonetoday · 24/01/2023 15:29

LizzieSiddal · 24/01/2023 15:24

This link says he’s being remanded in a women’s prison.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11670803/Transgender-woman-guilty-raping-two-women-man.html

This person will rape again. Mark my words. And it’ll be some poor woman in that prison. It’s just a matter of time now. God I feel sick to my stomach.

ClaphamSouth · 24/01/2023 15:29

MiladeeBeserko · 24/01/2023 15:21

Coming your way, you non Scot Brits.

Have some pity on your Scottish sisters, and back up the UK opposition to the recent reforms to the GRA in Scotland, so that we might be able to claw our way back to sanity.

Please sign and share 👇

Repeal the GRA www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/4688427-repeal-the-gra

Florissant · 24/01/2023 15:29

Signed!

Waitwhat23 · 24/01/2023 15:35

More about the judicial review (which found in favour of transwomen being held in female prisons, astoundingly) -

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inmate-sues-government-over-keeping-trans-women-in-prison-t7w2t5lx8

womansplaceuk.org/2021/07/07/womens-prisons-male-transgender-prisoners/

onitlikeacarbonnet · 24/01/2023 15:35

Apologies @SinnerBoy

AlecTrevelyan006 · 24/01/2023 15:36

LizzieSiddal · 24/01/2023 15:24

This link says he’s being remanded in a women’s prison.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11670803/Transgender-woman-guilty-raping-two-women-man.html

Mental

KettrickenSmiled · 24/01/2023 15:38

onitlikeacarbonnet · 24/01/2023 15:20

I honestly don’t know what to say. It’s disgusting. I have a genuine question for those of you who are better informed than I am. Can someone explain why it’s only women who are angry about this?!?

If I was a transgender person, I’d be furious that laws were being passed which allowed rapists to (mis)appropriate my ‘lived experience’ in an attempt to mitigate their violence against women using their trans status as an excuse. And, in the unlikely event of being convicted, being placed in a situation where they can repeat their offending on a literal captive audience of vulnerable women who are locked in with this predator.

Why are trans women not at least as angry, if not more so, than women are?

I expect they are.

But it's not exactly getting a lot of press attention is it? - whether it is natal or transwomen protesting the idiocy & misogyny of it.

BruceAndNosh · 24/01/2023 15:39

Leggings are so unforgiving

ditalini · 24/01/2023 15:40

It's a tricky one for the Scottish Government isn't it?

Do they let the SPS keep Bryson at Cornton Vale (which I believe is closing to be replaced by community units - presumably they have some accommodation somewhere for violent offenders) so they can say "See, GRR makes no difference, we send em all to women's prisons anyway as soon as they don the pink leggings and blonde wig!"

Or do they put pressure to send this one to Barlinnie for the optics.

PattyBladell · 24/01/2023 15:41

FactsAreNotMean · 24/01/2023 14:27

This was taken outside court

If they are willing to turn up to court, where they are being tried for rape, so blatantly displaying their very male penis then one can only imagine how comfortable they will be demonstrating their masculinity in a female prison.

You've beaten me to it, I was just going to mention the picture. It's like he is getting off on it by flaunting it

KettrickenSmiled · 24/01/2023 15:42

AlecTrevelyan006 · 24/01/2023 15:36

Mental

Cracking.

Just park 'her' there while they do the much-vaunted "safeguarding assessment" is it?

If a female prisoner loses an eye, or gets raped (it's already happened in UK prisons) by the guy, "OH! what a valuable lesson learned."
Never mind that it was at the expense of women prisoners. You know - those scum of the earth who are usually imprisoned for the crime of poverty non-violent low level financial crime or non-payment of debt.

SirChenjins · 24/01/2023 15:44

Does a ‘specialist unit’ mean he will be segregated from women? Let’s hope they never have to set eyes on him (or his tiny dick)

Ridemeginger · 24/01/2023 15:44

newrubylane · 24/01/2023 14:03

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. What next? 'The person who robbed the bank had dark hair and I've since dyed mine blonde so clearly I didn't do it' says the man caught red-handed?

Isn't this related to the right to be forgotten/deadnaming type arguments - that post transition, they not only change sex, but become a wholly new person, and cannot therefore be responsible for the crimes of the "dead" person?

The world has gone mad - or at least Scotland has. The media is a disgrace too. The only TV station that seems to want to stand up for women is GB bloody News. What does that say about misogyny amongst the liberals running the other stations?

Wheresthebeach · 24/01/2023 15:44

yestheyhavethesamedad · 24/01/2023 13:46

Was coming to post this , how disgusting is it , that the bbc scotland headline was "woman convicted of raping 2 woman " just watched the news with my jaw on the floor and shouting , not a woman , this person used their penis to rape 2 woman , their defence barrister , then used trans status as a defence and tried to claim it means they are not a risk , it was a male crime commited by a male , this is not a womans crime

its utter madness. The level of misogyny in mind blowing. I just don’t understand how we can be here

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