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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

sarah ditum on Posie parker

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narcymum · 23/09/2022 22:33

Just saw a tweet where she calls PP a 'poundshop marine le Pen'
WTF! why are women who are supposedly in this fight together actively trying to sabotage another woman's activism?
Can we not move away from this schoolyard shit?

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terryleather · 24/09/2022 10:27

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 24/09/2022 09:50

@Discovereads - I'm sure you have them to hand so please supply the evidence for all of your embedded claims along with details of the "collaboration," size of payments, funder, opposition to abortion etc.

who collaborates with white supremacists and who has accepted funds from the US far right.

None of these are “impossible standards of purity” imho. It’s entirely possible to campaign for womens rights without harassing BLM activists or applauding blackface, without collaborating with white supremacists, without being anti-abortion, and without taking money from the US far right.

Yes, I'd be interested to see those too...

LongBlobson · 24/09/2022 10:30

The left has been the absolute worst in ignoring women on this but maybe they will take note of this:

Left-wing women can feel really uncomfortable with PP and yet, despite insults and accusations coming at us from left and right, still maintain that sex is real, binary, and significant and be happy to hold that boundary.

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 24/09/2022 10:31

terry

I doubt we'll get them

I'll wait with you

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 24/09/2022 10:33

We'll probably just get some more hyperbolic 'worship ' comments

terryleather · 24/09/2022 10:36

Indeed Rufus, along with digs at KJK being our "leader"...or is that Glinner, I lose track.

flashbac · 24/09/2022 10:37

DialSquare · 24/09/2022 09:59

Oh I am sorry. I'm just a gullible working class woman who obviously knows nothing. Can you, oh wonderful one, who seems to have dragged yourself out of the working class gutter to enable you to sneer at the rest of us, please advise who I should be tugging my forelock to instead?

I don't understand the need for snark here?
It's like a cult, this "must love PP at any cost" malarkey.

ReunitedThorns · 24/09/2022 10:41

Scientologists hate former scientologists the most, transitioners hate de-transitioners the most.

Left wing feminists hate former left wing feminists the most. Although I'd argue that feminism that fights for women's rights to be much truer to the cause than "men who self-ID as women are women" feminists.

Mainstream feminism today fights for the rights of men to call themselves women. "TERF" fights for the rights of women the same as it has for decades.

DameMaud · 24/09/2022 10:41

Empowermenomore · 24/09/2022 10:07

There was a meme doing the rounds that put succinctly what GG said about women not knowing how much men hate them.

it went along the lines:
the right sees women as private property
the left as public property

women are imprisoned by our own sense of being the savers of all that goes wrong in society. Burden after burden, put yourself last, be kind, etc So tired of it!

Replying to save this great quote/meme. Thanks Empower

Live4weekend · 24/09/2022 10:42

Posies Parker reminds me of Nigel Farage.

I don't like Ditums tweet at all and it was silly and petty, buy Posie Parker absolutely does not speak for me as a gender critical female.

Transactivism is driving people away because of their extremism. I think there is a very real chance it could happen with the 'GC movement' too.

I am not anti trans, I support people being who they want to be. But up until now, that has been at the expense of the safety and dignity of woman which needs to stop. As well was the indoctrination if children into becoming trans. And the bastardisation of language.

But support right wingers who want to do more harm to women and children - not in my fucking name.

flashbac · 24/09/2022 10:44

terryleather · 24/09/2022 10:27

Yes, I'd be interested to see those too...

I remember some sneery sounding comments (IMHO) made about Muslims, but I'm Muslim so I suppose we are fair game. It was a long time ago. I wish I had 'kept receipts'.
She is entitled to her opinions and I'm entitled to mine.

Live4weekend · 24/09/2022 10:44

LongBlobson · 24/09/2022 00:21

I've been watching this on twitter.

That comment from Sarah was uncalled for.

Apart from that I have seen women raising concerns about a specific point, majority seemed very reasonable to me and just wanting to discuss. Different opinions were being shared. All concerns about the movement in general and where we draw the line with racism. There were good points made both sides.

KJK's response video really shocked me. I had been defending her until then. She has called left-wing feminists all sorts of names and set up a division of 'ordinary women', who she has put herself in charge of speaking for, and horrible mean feminists who don't care about them.

To be honest I found the whole video manipulative, aggressive, and a bit scary that this is how she responds to any criticism. It's really put me off her.

It was a horrible video

DialSquare · 24/09/2022 10:54

"I don't understand the need for snark here?
It's like a cult, this "must love PP at any cost" malarkey"

I have never said that everyone must love PP. i object to the assumption that I must be a gullible idiot if I do like her and I will use snark whenever I like to show that objection.

Helleofabore · 24/09/2022 11:00

It's like a cult, this "must love PP at any cost" malarkey.

No. This is a false representation of what is happening here.

Most people posting about this at the moment are saying that they agree with much (maybe a few have said all) Kellie Jay Keen says. What most are saying though is they she does not deserve to have these petty statements made about her. Criticise her, fine. Base it on clear and definitive evidence and not a personality clash.

But this past week has been just another extension of past personal attacks.

But great way to demonise people by saying they are just like a cult though. Like we haven’t seen that, oh… for a few hours at least.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/09/2022 11:01

How you going to do that if women arent a separate sex class in law?

How are you going to do it if there is no funding?

GlorianaCervixia · 24/09/2022 11:09

Julie Bindel has been published by conservative newspapers, why is that different? And why is PP responsible for the behaviour of men who turned up at a rally in a public place without her knowledge?

Telling women that they're like brainless followers of a cult leader is the kind of sexist language I'd expect from a trans activist. No one has to agree with everything PP says in order to see value in her work and to abhor the very obvious class snobbery that is directed at her.

NotBadConsidering · 24/09/2022 11:10

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/09/2022 11:01

How you going to do that if women arent a separate sex class in law?

How are you going to do it if there is no funding?

People who are worried about the social welfare impacts on women can campaign on that.

People who are worried about gender ideology can campaign on that, Like KJK.

People who are concerned about both can (shock!) campaign about both.

You don’t need to campaign for subject one in order to qualify to campaign for subject two with enough goodie goodie points.

NotBadConsidering · 24/09/2022 11:18

And every week, children all over the world are given their first puberty blocker injection, starting them on the pathway to irreversible harm. This is worldwide scandal and an emergency.

As KJK says, stopping just one more girl having her breasts removed is the priority. That will happen. This week, a girl under the age of 18 somewhere in the world will have her breasts removed because this ideology has taught her her body is wrong. We cannot wait while all the “pure” people get their house in order.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/09/2022 11:20

And every week, children all over the world are given their first puberty blocker injection, starting them on the pathway to irreversible harm. This is worldwide scandal and an emergency.

There are multiple worldwide scandals and injustices involving women and girls. This is not the only one. It is an important one but it is not the only one.

Empowermenomore · 24/09/2022 11:22

… and while the women argue about naming calling and purity standards…

the TRA with the bag of knives goes unnoticed..,

he was on the side of the Labour women calling a baby fascist and saying that women speaking about their rights is filth!

Never mind when you take your kids to Pride and they walk along people with plug holes or pretending to be a dog or a baby?

The left have abandoned women as Obama did. The right are as bad seeing only what interest them.

And as it has been said we need to be able to see ourselves as a sex class to be able to fight for our rights as full human beings.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/09/2022 11:23

There are multiple worldwide scandals and injustices involving women and girls. This is not the only one. It is an important one but it is not the only one.

No one said it was.

NotBadConsidering · 24/09/2022 11:24

No it’s not the only one. It’s the only one that KJK is focussing on and she’s not responsible for all the others. And the fact that KJK is focussed on this one thing doesn’t mean it deserves less attention. And the fact she is focussing on it doesn’t mean other issues also don’t matter and can’t be worked on as well.

Can you give us the priority list then? What comes first and where does the greatest medical scandal of our age rank in importance to you?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/09/2022 11:24

Actually, NBC did say it was 'the priority'.

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 24/09/2022 11:26

terryleather · 24/09/2022 10:36

Indeed Rufus, along with digs at KJK being our "leader"...or is that Glinner, I lose track.

Glitter I think....I guess cos of the Penis

We worship kjk and are lead by glinner

I think that's the right way round

NotBadConsidering · 24/09/2022 11:27

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/09/2022 11:24

Actually, NBC did say it was 'the priority'.

It’s the priority to KJK, and to me as it happens, as opposed to making sure everyone campaigning for this is pure enough being prioritised first.

Smilelesstalkmore · 24/09/2022 11:27

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/09/2022 09:32

The left won't save you, it never has. The left has always used women to campaign and help them with the promise that once they get what they want then they will look out for our concerns, except there's always something else to deal with and they never seem to get around to it.

Whereas the right will just fuck you over and be done with it.

The Left will fuck you over but try and make themselves look good while doing it.

What a choice we have! Tbh, I think I would rather go Right and get it done with!

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