sarah ditum on Posie parker

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Just saw a tweet where she calls PP a 'poundshop marine le Pen'
WTF! why are women who are supposedly in this fight together actively trying to sabotage another woman's activism?
Can we not move away from this schoolyard shit?

You can't bring people on board if there are weirdos on your boat.

She appeals to a lot of people ( men especially) who wouldn’t bother to look at the traditional ‘feminist’ presentation ( oddly adopted by that woman who shouts at babies).
I’m in. ‘Purity is Obscurity’ ( thank you Ogden Nash)

@Datun There is a lot of swearing on her videos. This one has a F* you lefty feminists! tone that I personally am prepared to forgive as she has been rattled.

PP is doing something amazing on the streets up and down the country. She has been doxed, accused, visited by the trans moral police, de-plataformed by women fighting a similar war. She keeps going.

My hat to her and any women that gives time and effort to shine light on this issue.

it’s all a sorrowful spectacle when there is an own goal, specially when the Carly-Mays of the Labour have scored theirs.

Debate is healthy. Name calling not so much.

This was shared earlier and it really gives context to this situation. Helen Joyce being fair, respectful, reasonable and articulated as always,
www.thehelenjoyce.com/joyce-activated-issue-21/

I also note that every time TRA hit the news looking even more terrible - the Brighton event with CMK yelling “fascist” at a baby has been in a lot of MSM, the attacks on PP redouble

Yes, it's the usual nonsense.

Posie was doxed, her in laws and her children were doxed. She's been visited by the police, told she would be arrested and received numerous threats by TRAs, including a full description of how it is fervently hoped she listens to the death rattle of her youngest child dying from Covid.

...but she's in it for the cash.

People know exactly what Posie has said and done. It's plastered across the Internet from one end to the other.

And she's obviously not a right-wing, opportunist grifter in it for the money and selling merchandise 'opportunities'. It's not even straw clutching. It's 'get a piece of straw, divide it into a hundred, take off a tiny splinter of one of the hundreds, and hold it under a microscope,' clutching.

What she is, is bloody fuming. And popular. And she has given a platform to dozens and dozens of women, who would otherwise not have a voice.

Autistic women, incarcerated women, raped women, they are all getting their stories heard about this ideology and how it has affected them.

And we can't have that, can we.

Tut.

The left won't save you, it never has. The left has always used women to campaign and help them with the promise that once they get what they want then they will look out for our concerns, except there's always something else to deal with and they never seem to get around to it.

Whereas the right will just fuck you over and be done with it.

What absolute nonsense. Posie’s single goal is to keep males out of women’s spaces. Why would you need to turn to Posie in an employment hearing? She’s not remotely trying to claim to be a unionist.

Lots of people with lots of other views on other things in the world, including unsavoury people with unsavoury views, don’t want males in women’s spaces. It’s a fact, get used to it.

The opposing idea to this is people who want males in women’s spaces, don’t care about people getting their penises out in front of children and will lie about it (Wi Spa), ignore women being raped in prisons, and are happy for children to be given drugs to make them infertile and asexual adults. People who support that are horribly unsavoury to me, regardless of what else they think.

You can't bring people on board if there are weirdos on your boat.

Doesn't appear to have damaged the TRA movement.

Yep, agree with all of this

But do know what about the Right? At least they own it. At least you know where you stand with the Right. Whereas the Left sanctimoniously pretend they couldn’t possibly be as nasty, as authoritarian, dishonest or bigoted as the opposition when they are just as bad. The sanctimony and hypocrisy is worse.

Do you know who has been most effective in shifting ground on this issue in Australia most recently? Catholic Schools. They recently got rid of gender ideology from its schools, which teach 20% of the Australian school population. Are we supposed to decry their decision because of all the other stuff the Catholic Church has ever done or stands for? Of course not.

The level of childish thinking on involving politics on this issue is off the charts. Protect kids from this ideology. Protect women‘s spaces. Protect women from rape in prisons. That’s all that matters.

The level of childish thinking on involving politics on this issue is off the charts. Protect kids from this ideology. Protect women‘s spaces. Protect women from rape in prisons. That’s all that matters.

Protect women from welfare cuts, protect funding for services for battered, raped and abused women, protect education that families can afford so that girl children will be sent as well as boys, and protect children who have been raped by the institutions that were supposed to care for them or educate them ... like the Catholic Church.

Same for me too.

Protect women from welfare cuts, protect funding for services for battered, raped and abused women, protect education that families can afford so that girl children will be sent as well as boys, and protect children who have been raped by the institutions that were supposed to care for them or educate them ... like the Catholic Church.

How you going to do that if women arent a separate sex class in law?

@Discovereads - I'm sure you have them to hand so please supply the evidence for all of your embedded claims along with details of the "collaboration," size of payments, funder, opposition to abortion etc.

who collaborates with white supremacists and who has accepted funds from the US far right.

None of these are “impossible standards of purity” imho. It’s entirely possible to campaign for womens rights without harassing BLM activists or applauding blackface, without collaborating with white supremacists, without being anti-abortion, and without taking money from the US far right.

So the Catholic Church should keep gender ideology in its schools until it’s sorted all of its historical problems then, should it Spartacus?

Is it Posie’s or anyone else’s job who is active in combatting trans ideology to solve social welfare problems as well?

And this will be managed now when the definition of woman/girl includes man/boy? It is literally impossible to provide sex based services or measure the impact of anything on women when the definition of woman also includes “and men who feel like women”

I'd love to take part more in the movement but I can't abide the politics of movements where it descends into orthodoxies and factions - like bolsheviks and Mensheviks.

I like any woman who is bold enough and brave enough to be on the right side of history. We need many voices not the purest and factions. Now that we are gaining traction the fires of competition and ego are stoked. I don't think it's a good sign.

I stand with Posie.

She gives a platform to women. She shows that women gathering and speaking in public generates an extremely aggressive response from TRAs. These people are no open to reason.

I support any women who are standing up to gender ideology in whatever way they think best.

Despite being a lifelong lefty, I am now politically homeless. My Labour MP challenged me off for misgendering a man and one of my local Labour councillors, a woman, told me she had always seen a man as a woman.

I don't know why these apparently intelligent people deny the evidence of their eyes, we need people like Posie who speak plainly to get the conversation and policies back to reality.

*not open to reason

I hadn't seen her swear before. All I've ever seen, is her go almost puce trying to stop herself!

And, yes I read the Helen Joyce article. It's fairly evenhanded.

I'm not adverse to women criticising other women, although when you're all fighting for an almost identical outcome, I'm not sure what the point is. It seems counter-productive to me.

But it's Posie who gets the most criticism. She really riles people up That's what is quite interesting.

As a phenomenon, I completely understand why TRAs don't like her. She is effective in publicising the issue. But other women fighting for the same outcome? I don't really get it.

Perhaps people genuinely believe that if they support Posie over this, they are compromising their views over other things that they disagree with her about.

But those people are completely different to the people who try and find dirt that's not there. Those people, to me at least, just reinforce the fact that what she's doing is working.

Oh I am sorry. I'm just a gullible working class woman who obviously knows nothing. Can you, oh wonderful one, who seems to have dragged yourself out of the working class gutter to enable you to sneer at the rest of us, please advise who I should be tugging my forelock to instead?

The left as usual abandoned us women. I don't include decent left women like WPUK etc who were trying hard to bring the concerns raised by self id and gender ideology to the mainstream but they were getting cut off at every attempt, mainly by left wing men.

I get what you are saying, Moresaltnvinegarplease (I think). My take on it is that even though the left has never really been women's friend, aspects of some women's oppression remain class-based and/or related to the needs of working women and particularly those in precarious, poorly paid work and/or those who are discriminated against in patriarchal workplaces.

I'm a woman, a feminist and from working-class origins even though I do have a university education. When I 'go home' I am very much reminded of the struggles of working-class women. I remember Thatcher and what the Tories did under her leadership.

I haven't forgotten this and other struggles even though the current one to retain a sex-based identity and rights is up the top of my list.

What she is, is bloody fuming. And popular. And she has given a platform to dozens and dozens of women, who would otherwise not have a voice.

Autistic women, incarcerated women, raped women, they are all getting their stories heard about this ideology and how it has affected them.

And we can't have that, can we.

This is what I most like about her. You can speak at one of her events without needing to be an accomplished public speaker, a political campaigner, well read in feminist theory or agree with her. If you are female she will give you a platform to be heard. Why should "the message" be exclusively entrusted to self appointed spokeswomen, it affects all women. The women speaking at her events are telling their stories, we should listen.

She doesn't give a shit and I'm starting to wonder if this is what female liberation looks like.

Women like Ditum say they're feminists but prioritise men's voices. Posie says she isn't a feminist but gives women a space to speak.

I know which I consider more of a feminist action.

There was a meme doing the rounds that put succinctly what GG said about women not knowing how much men hate them.

it went along the lines:
the right sees women as private property
the left as public property

women are imprisoned by our own sense of being the savers of all that goes wrong in society. Burden after burden, put yourself last, be kind, etc So tired of it!