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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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ickky · 21/05/2022 10:36

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

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IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 23/05/2022 13:06

What 'she' meant by those words. But he didn't read the links she sent them which showed it wasn't just her that thought it. Or am I getting confused? I need lunch.

MythicalReasonableTwitterUser · 23/05/2022 13:07

MW - We had to consider whether a woman speaking out against coercive sexual behavior is the problem and decided it was

FourExcellentQuestions · 23/05/2022 13:07

Using this as an example of rape culture somewhat undermines her case?

Shortpoet · 23/05/2022 13:08

Does he know what rape culture is?

Freemoney22 · 23/05/2022 13:08

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/05/2022 13:08

BC educating him!

TopKnotch · 23/05/2022 13:08

Does MW seriously think he's coming across as on top of the facts of this case?

He seems almost pleased with himself?

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/05/2022 13:09

Is IO desperate to get away from the references to the cotton ceiling involving women’s knickers?

FourExcellentQuestions · 23/05/2022 13:09

BC explaining what rape culture is!

Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 13:09

BC having to define Rape Culture and MW not agreeing with him.

ickky · 23/05/2022 13:09

BC explained what Rape culture is, MW doesn't agree.

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Clymene · 23/05/2022 13:09

I don't think MW understands what rape culture is. He and MS don't see the difference between rape culture and rape? Confused

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 23/05/2022 13:09

Lesbians' knickers! House.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 23/05/2022 13:09

Yowza!

pardonmytits · 23/05/2022 13:09

Oooh double knickers!

TheBiologyStupid · 23/05/2022 13:09

"Lesbians' knickers" !

Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 13:09

Wow, ickky - almost word for word.

tabbycatstripy · 23/05/2022 13:09

I’m not allowed to word-for-word this, but are we seeing that MW doesn’t understand what a ‘culture’ is?

Staggering testimony.

He is arguing that AB arguing against rape culture is illegitimate.

Freemoney22 · 23/05/2022 13:09

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/05/2022 13:10

He and MS don't see the difference between rape culture and rape?

I would have thought at least MS would, as a woman.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 23/05/2022 13:10

Everyone's concentration is going according to EJ. Lunch.

Oh but Ben has one more point.

theemperorhasnoclothes · 23/05/2022 13:11

MythicalReasonableTwitterUser · 23/05/2022 13:07

MW - We had to consider whether a woman speaking out against coercive sexual behavior is the problem and decided it was

Yep. This.

TopKnotch · 23/05/2022 13:11

This man is appalling. Absolutely appalling!

And very sure the AB was in the wrong, is in the wrong, and that he is squeaky clean and right, right, right.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 13:12

Is he saying that the CC Workshop itself is fine and dandy, but AB talking about it is beyond the pale??

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 23/05/2022 13:12

We're not dealing with a high court judgement but an investigative report.

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