Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

I do that all the time.

Mostly to flying beasties that target my ears. But this works.

My regular PAS. If you find yourself in online meetings or even phone calls on a regular basis, get a noise suppression service like Krisp AI or similar.

MW is really on the hook here. That it was perceived by others and said at the time that GCC tweeting in a way that implies investigating transphobia was harmful to AB.

Is MW actually trying to say criticism (from another GC member) that GCC had 'ill-treated' a black female barrister wasn't claiming GCC were distancing themselves from AB/AB's views?

MW is tying himself in knots here.

Everyone seems confused except the Judge.

It's your bundle AH - if it's hard to understand you share the blame

EJ helping AH with navigating the bundle 😁

Hangry hour is approaching.

I was thinking that they'd probably never encountered this particular group of twitter people in full flow before.

Welcome to our world.

Yes, her ability to follow the detail is awesome.

‘Support employment tribunal’

😂

Even I think that BC might have got the stuff he needs out of this witness now

Just admitted that the standard approach would be an email response to a complaint, not a tweet.

This is the only thing I can find about their reputation taking a hammering on twitter. Don't know if this is where it started as a phrase, or if it's elsewhere & from the time of the Twitterstorm.

Hardly anyone has ‘seen the like’ of trans activists’ ‘Twitter storms’ before... but what does that tell you? It might tell you that the nature of the complaints is very serious. Or, it might tell you that there are some very unstable people on the internet. Or, it might tell you that this is a very polarised issue.

I don’t think anyone who doesn’t know what ‘gender critical’ means is qualified to make those distinctions.

Bloody AH just can't keep out of it!

BC asking whether GCC's real motivation and actions were appeasing those on twitter who called AB a transphobe.

MW is all over the place

MW "we have a need to consider complaints properly".....
well, yes....

Now he's contradicting himself and saying that it was appropriate to respond on Twitter.
Also saying was not trying to appease people who called AB transphobic but to prevent damage to GC's reputation (repeating of twitter hammering).

I feel DdM is being set up as a fall guy here

I think this is going to be a key witness session. MW not nearly as clever as he appears to believe.

Argh, really? This has annoyed me greatly. He must understand how replies work! And what Erish said... that's what a Twitter storm is! A bunch of replies that are obviously public!

MW- We weren't trying to APPEASE them, we were just trying to stop the HAMMERING

‘...a Twitter storm generated by the claimant.’

The claimant exercising her fundamental Article 10 rights, being bullied by extremists.