Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

It was JK I believe.

Things I now know about GCC as a result of this tribunal:
1- despite Twitter being a very well know social media platform, and despite GCC being desperate to protect their reputation on Twitter, no one in GCC uses it or understands it

2- if you need a QC and your case is likely to involve work in December don't ask GCC as they are all too busy then to spend any time on details

3 - 1.38am is a very difficult time for GCC

They are so wriggly - "the relationship with Stonewall wasn't a factor for me, but it was for my colleague DDM"

but he did come out and say DDM had called it a key factor (mind you it seemed to be in an email in the bundle?)

It doesn’t even make any sense. He has occasionally retweeted a GCC tweet and said to read the thread, complete with the little spool of thread emoji. But tweet threads are a series of replies to the original tweet so he would have had to read the replies to know it was a tweet thread!!!!!

😁

RMW intervening to complain about scrolling noise! From the witness! Is that really important?!

Oh now even RMW is annoyed with MW's scrolling - never thought I'd agree with RMW

Cheers, MeanStreak & Clymene.

note to self-
if ever involved in a legal proceeding online, get a fucking headset

First time I've heard RW speak 🤯

Robin White's huge contribution to proceedings: "someone has an annoying scratchy mouse when they are scrolling. Please stop doing this, it keeps waking me up"

He wouldn't have to scroll so much if your shit bundle was correct. What a liberty.

You would imagine this is the bare minimum - I hate my headphones but I wear them because it makes it easier for others

Rather he is claiming as some sort of excuse or defence that he thinks a reply on twitter is private.

That is not credible to me. I don't have a twitter account and I know it is not an email that you have to press CC to share with others. I look at loads of tweets and see the replies. I am not a techie in any way and I have never even tweeted.

"hammering we were taking on Twitter" appears to be a pre-prepared line given the number of times it's been used

'Twitterstorm' and 'hammering' again - this is sounding as rehearsed as the footie reference earlier.

How much is the Tribunal allowed to read into the wriggliness?

I keep being overawed by the judge and her patience and professionalism and also her alertness and attention span! I think I'd have started with very visible eyerolls after a day of GCC evidence, by day 3 I'd be snapping at them to shut the fuck up and answer the damn question as it was asked, and by day 5 I'd have started looking up obscure statutes from the Middle Ages that would allow me to throw all of them in jail.

Great minds IdisagreeMrHochhauser

1- despite Twitter being a very well know social media platform, and despite GCC being desperate to protect their reputation on Twitter, no one in GCC uses it or understands it

I've been curious about this point for a while now.

we weren't predisposed to see Allison as transphobic, we were just tossing her under the bus 'cuz noise on Twitter (which none of us actually has a clue about btw)

The judge can decide how credible the witnesses are.

Stop it! 😂

How would it be a "Twitterstorm" if replies aren't public?

Again with the 'hammering' and twitter storm from people who seem to not have any type of depth of how twitter works.

Instead, a marketing person (and I have a marketing background) told them it was a crisis and they all shot from the hip without getting any depth on what was actually happening.

And they are all beginning to realise the ramifications of not investigating it more for themselves.

She also spoke up to deny saying "Here we go!" the other week.