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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

1004 replies

ickky · 21/05/2022 10:36

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

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Clymene · 23/05/2022 11:55

FingonTheValiant · 23/05/2022 11:53

Is it me, or is it not a good look for a supposedly intelligent barrister to admit that he doesn’t have the « wherewithal » to access replies on Twitter?

Particularly someone who has made 37,000 tweets

Birdsweepsin · 23/05/2022 11:55

With thanks to Douglas Adams, Marc is the Twitter equivalent of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal.

(The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal is a vicious wild animal from the planet of Traal, known for its never-ending hunger and its mind-boggling stupidity. One of the main features of the Beast is that if you can't see it, it assumes it can't see you. Due to this it has been considered one of the least intelligent creatures in the Universe.)

Penguintears · 23/05/2022 11:56

BenCooperisaGod · 23/05/2022 11:53

Tweeting that someone is under internal investigation is a huge breach of confidentiality. End of. He would have been better off holding his hands up on this one.

I agree. I found him fairly believable (more or less) before this. But this trying to wriggle out of admitting a breach of confidentiality makes him out to be an unreliable witness.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 11:56

Is this the chap who emailed Allison and asked her 'Are you still suing us?'

IHadToEducateMyself · 23/05/2022 11:56

The GCC witnesses keep making it very very clear how very much they value their reputation over their integrity

tabbycatstripy · 23/05/2022 11:57

So MW thinks a Twitter “hammering” is a justification for breaching confidentiality and for reacting without any genuine understanding of the positions?

So if one of the Chambers barristers tweeted about her religious beliefs and a load of people piled on saying they wouldn’t use Chambers as long as a Muslim/Catholic/Jew was allowed to work there, he would put out tweets saying they were going to “investigate” the religious barrister without any critical engagement with whether the criticism was just bigotry?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/05/2022 11:57

No that's a different Mark, not a HoC

nauticant · 23/05/2022 11:57

EJ again trying to hurry BC up to get Stephen Clarke (?) and Liz Davis (?) this afternoon, with Tom Wainwright moved to Tuesday.

katmarie · 23/05/2022 11:58

Birdsweepsin · 23/05/2022 11:55

With thanks to Douglas Adams, Marc is the Twitter equivalent of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal.

(The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal is a vicious wild animal from the planet of Traal, known for its never-ending hunger and its mind-boggling stupidity. One of the main features of the Beast is that if you can't see it, it assumes it can't see you. Due to this it has been considered one of the least intelligent creatures in the Universe.)

Love this! This whole trial is reminiscient of the surreal humour of hitchhikers guide (or at least it would be if it wasn't more horrifying than humorous.)

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/05/2022 11:58

FingonTheValiant · 23/05/2022 11:52

OMG he thinks a reply is private?!

Wasn't he claiming earlier that he can see how to make a reply to a tweet but not to read responses/comments?

I'm baffled by the evidence of this >10 year user of Twitter on this point.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/05/2022 11:58

Yes that's my assumption of who they are, nauticant

Clymene · 23/05/2022 11:58

They'd be faster if they didn't pretend they couldn't remember stuff constantly and AH didn't keep interrupting

Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 11:59

Getting my Marc/Marks in a muddle...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/05/2022 11:59

Quite, Clymene

nauticant · 23/05/2022 11:59

Stephen Clarke (?) and Liz Davis (?)

It looks like I stole an "e" from Liz Davies and gave it to Stephen Clark.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 23/05/2022 12:00

His special Twitter means his constant references to 'the Twitterstorm' and 'getting hammered on Twitter' are incredibly disingenuous.

If he doesn't see any replies he's just going on what DDM said and relying on his characterisation of what happened?

IHadToEducateMyself · 23/05/2022 12:01

MW still trying to pretend that since the investigation tweet was a reply it wasn't public

FingonTheValiant · 23/05/2022 12:01

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/05/2022 11:58

Wasn't he claiming earlier that he can see how to make a reply to a tweet but not to read responses/comments?

I'm baffled by the evidence of this >10 year user of Twitter on this point.

Yes, and he just referenced sending a « public tweet », so he does seem to be very unclear on this... or extremely disingenuous.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 23/05/2022 12:01

Clymene · 23/05/2022 11:55

Particularly someone who has made 37,000 tweets

Really??? You mean MW? What's his twitter account? Going to see if he got any replies...

Cailleach1 · 23/05/2022 12:02

Chrysanthemum5 · 23/05/2022 11:33

These people have all read the same scripts- I was busy, I was travelling, I don't use Twitter (or I don't understand Twitter), I only talked to the clerks about cases and football, I was kind to Allison

Maybe 'I can't read' or 'I can't understand English' will be next.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 12:03

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Clymene · 23/05/2022 12:04

@mwillersqc is his handle

Signalbox · 23/05/2022 12:04

This has made me realise that barrister =/= intelligent.

MsMcGonagall · 23/05/2022 12:07

They are so wriggly - "the relationship with Stonewall wasn't a factor for me, but it was for my colleague DDM"

chilling19 · 23/05/2022 12:08

What a mess this is

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