Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 10

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)

To come?
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

Oh, some football too then - quick shoehorn!

Another mention of football chat with the clerks. Is this sex stereotyping at its best?
“oh me and the lads don’t do gossip, just bants about the footie”

I haven't heard of this. Is it ongoing or in the offing?

Place marking!

my reaction too. that sounds so false as if it were planned and scripted. could backfire as it is obvious bollocks

Didn't he just say he prefers not to but others do.

The fact that MW was bothered by interruptions so much that he worked from home is clear evidence that it was a lively, chatty, collegiate place where people talked to each other.

Did you see that goal by Saka just before half time last night? Totally transphobic wasn't it!

MW says the only time he spoke to the criminal clerks when they would berate him for his team's performance in FOOTBALL (he is at pains to stress).

A call back to the clerk earlier who sais "Oh we don't gossip, we just talk about FOOTBALL, mainly."

I smell shenanigans. It seems strategic to me.

Yes he did, Signalbox.

He said prefers not to have an 'open door' policy at work, but others did prefer a more 'collegiate atmosphere'.
BC's phrase...i don't use the word 'collegiate ' nearly enough.

Well how embarrassing. I'm in now, I think I must have used an old link to Maya's tribunal 😫

Disclaimer, women can be interested in football too, but
what kind of a chambers/clerks set up is this in that all anyone can interact with the clerks about socially is football. Possibly begs the question c all barristers fe/male treated the same if it's still such a boys' club.

Karon Monaghan has been retained for it (outstanding choice).

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4539958-big-update-on-rape-crisis-legal-challenge

ESV - twitter.com/SarahSurviving is the person in question.

MW's comment about his only non-work interaction with the clerks being when they ribbed him about his football team's performance was accompanied by the most expressive face he's made so far - a sort of wry 'ha ha'. I think he wanted that comment to have some impact.

Literally violence, I thought.

What a bigot! Ref should have shown him a card.

MW claiming that he gave no weight to Tom Wainwright's claim that LGB Alliance is "anti-trans". Unconvincing.

Thanks, @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus - to it.I'll keep an eye out for that. I've found the Twitter relating

I do enjoy AH’s bewildered pantomime.

Sorry - don't know how the "to it" jumped a line. Wish there was an edit button

The LGB Alliance isn't 'anti' anything, they are simply pro 'LGB'.

Why is that so difficult to parse??

Highlighting in case anyone fancies a bit of gardening.

Yet again, for the umpteenth time, someone at GCC is saying that once they were aware of a twitter storm, their priority was not to look into the cause of the twitter storm, that is what AB had done that had led to it.

I just can't understand how they think this is a reasonable approach.

I wonder if the outcome will be that the ET decides in AB’s favour because of their sheer negligence in dealing with the issues.

"I didn't know what a twitter pile on was" - really?!