Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 9

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Allison Bailey - claimant

Witnesses for the claimant:

Nic Williams - Fair Play for Women
A Woman's Place
FiLiA
Kate Harris - LGB Alliance

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC
Kirrin Medcalfe - head of trans inclusion Stonewall
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC and in charge of writing report on AB/complaints
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC

Current Witness - Charlie Tennant - Clerk at GCC

To come

Luke Harvey - Clerk at GCC
Louise Hooper - Clerk at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge

BC translation - 'understood' = stop trying to deflect and answer my question

Does the respondents have to “prove it” though? Could it be on the balance of probabilities that of course there must have been gossip, it would be extraordinary if there wasn’t. And him being Michelle brewers clerk , of course he would have heard the news about Allison which could have impacted the way he clerked her.

Exactly, Apple.

And (although I’m white so I’ll happily be corrected) I think the particular form of misogynoir is that it affects black women, rather than (for example) Asian women or Chinese women.

LoHo is also, along with Tom Wainwright and Michelle Brewer, a member of the GCC Transrights Working Group, set up in 2018 for members who worked on trans issues and issues around reform of the Gender Recognition Act.

So I’d say I’ve never heard that anyone particularly stereotypes women of Indian heritage as ‘angry’, for example, but I know black women are stereotypes in that specific way.

Placemarking - still catching up on last thread. Thanks everyone

Moya Bailey and Trudy coined it specifically about black women and their erasure.

www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14680777.2018.1447395?journalCode=rfms20

No gossip!!!! - absolute bollocks!!!!!
It is quite literally an unwritten part of the job description of every clerk to know all the gossip in chambers and as much as possible from other chambers.

Good luck with wading through that particular quagmire, Louise!

It changes every 15 minutes and no 2 people give the same answer to a simple question.

Ooh. Spousal veto.

Sorry, what?

'Identify' as feminists? FFS

Hmm. She didn't say the quote about Birkenstocks and we all know what that's shorthand for.

What is LH doing?

Is she a GCC GC?

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Yeah and so does she, which is clearly why she wanted to distance herself from it.

What is the Birkenstock shorthand?

Maybe not.....

Getting a bit arsey

'The harm being done to the trans community'

GTFO!

I don't but I'm guessing it implies ladies who like hikes?

It's a not particularly polite way of referring to lesbians.

She is also upset. The Fuck the LGB Alliance article that she emailed to Michelle Brewer upset her.

I wasn't expecting her to be key but she's important.

She looked sane, now she's talking absolute shite.

This feels like we are getting into the upper echelons of the trans belief hierarchy now we have LH talking about it openly