Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 9

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Allison Bailey - claimant

Witnesses for the claimant:

Nic Williams - Fair Play for Women
A Woman's Place
FiLiA
Kate Harris - LGB Alliance

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC
Kirrin Medcalfe - head of trans inclusion Stonewall
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC and in charge of writing report on AB/complaints
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC

Current Witness - Charlie Tennant - Clerk at GCC

To come

Luke Harvey - Clerk at GCC
Louise Hooper - Clerk at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge

Some have argued that it is a narcissist injury (rage). But I don't know enough about it to know if this is a real thing.

Bless Allison...LH has unwittingly painted a very hostile picture of life in Chambers.

Some very well-educated and privileged women seem to find it all rather exciting.

Can we all meet up in real life in the future for tribunal reunions?

Are we done for the day. Just dialled back in

Luxury beliefs.

She presumably doesn't need to concern herself with grubby things like men in womens prisons, etc.

Just reconnect now and wait for the "Waiting for the conference host to join" message to stop.

I loved the answer though. It was like she was saying that AB didn't Self-ID as transphobic so she couldn't call her transphobic but the tweets show that she was....kind like the whole essence of the self-ID world.

There's a CMH...back soon. 👍

Definitely, you could see her really delivering it to camera

nicely done nauticant 👏

Nope, another witness to come but private case management hearing first.

But AB does identify as a feminist.

Whatever gibberish that's supposed to mean.

Thanks so much for this thread, it really helps me catch up!

Regarding gossip - has anyone ever worked in an office without gossip? I've only worked in one office (and a few schools) and they've all be rife with gossip.

Seems like this witness just wanted to state her credentials as a trans ally, with no reference how this would impact the case.

Yep. I'm surprised she didn't wrap herself in a trans flag, or have one pinned up behind her. She might as well have.
The irony of talking about a violence against women conference, and then talking about the "harms" women do by not accepting TWAW.
The batshittery was flying loud and proud, with no care for logical contradictions and no care for the case, with that witness.

Luxury beliefs, even the most vulnerable women are of no concern to them.

It is also because if you ask more questions it gives the witness an opportunity to row back from their more batshit evidence.

I keep just avoiding all the moments of high drama. Logged back in at the very moment LoHo was being told she could go. Sounds like I missed a doozy.

I was so disappointed I had to resort to one of the emergency comfort Twixes you lot forced me to buy this morning. Damn you all <shakes fist>

What impact is LH2's evidence likely to have on the case? She is clearly invested in a particular belief system and pushed for GCC to behave in ways aligned with this belief - distancing from LGBA, adding material about suicide stats to tweets etc.

But does any of that demonstrate detriment towards Allison?

LouHoo was the one who mentioned mumsnet in her statement.
About man celebrating a woman’s place being involved with GCC and the ‘anti-trans activities’.

About MN* celebrating…

I think that EJ has a very good grasp of this all now.

And yes, LH absolutely did just describe the hostile nature of chambers with that session. And simply could not help to leave it hanging that the implication is that they believe AB is transphobic but pivoted it to make it seem centred on what AB thinks of herself. Which was not actually relevant.

I'd love to, if it's safe to do so. I feel we're well overdue some RL MN meet-ups.

Direct quote from this article

"The UK seems to have a unique and intense brand of transphobia, with online forum Mumsnet becoming a primal spot for anti-trans sentiment. Many feminist intellectuals unashamedly and vocally express their issues with trans people on these forums."