Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 8

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

I think it is JC. She's been logged in most days.

Now hammering next door...

BC: Is it [the hammering] coming from you?
JK: Not from me personally.

BC is right. The time delay isn’t his fault.

Fuck sake, there is now banging coming from JK's room again.

Christ. Can see EJ is getting concerned about time. BC not happy to be cut short.

This feels tough for BC.

BC pushing back against EJ's time constraint. Points out that no other witness has been curtailed and JK is a very important witness.

Not fair to cut BC's questioning

This sounds like the sort of pedantic and irritating thing I’d say in cross examination 😬

I feel like BC has been building his line of questioning, and we are now reaching a very illuminating area of exploration - but BC has to rush this because of AH's time-constraints

I bet if this was a witness in a murder trial who was shllly shallying she'd have issues with it, especially if her cross examination time would be cut short because of it.

So would I, Barry! I'm a pain in the arse with things like that.

But it made Ben smile, so it was worth JK saying it.

JK's comment about the hammering actually came across as a rare outbreak of levity.

Is there reason why JK wasn't scheduled earlier to give evidence seeing as JK had a criminal trial starting.

I haven't fully caught up on this thread yet but thank you to everyone for providing the colour and human interest angle to those of us who were not live-watching.

I am now watching for the first time (Ben Cooper fan club achievement unlocked!).

Just really quick observation, JK seems to be covering her mouth with her hand quite a bit. I know this is common enough when looking at a screen, resting your chin in your hand... but does this make a defensive impression? I imagine pop psych/body language experts might have an opinion...

But it made Ben smile, so it was worth JK saying it.

Many people in the law love a joke based on word play.

I'm also joining for the first time. If your icon is blank and there's a line through your microphone then I've done it right haven't I?

Yes

"Mr Cooper" Another addition to the bingo card.

"AB was tweeting inflammatory things about fascistic tactics of SW"

Only random I can see with camera on is C Morris if that's any of you. Looks like something over the camera.

Will BC overrun EJ's guillotine of 11.10, meaning that the timing problem becomes AH's to sort out. AH can also curtail his examination, or seek to find another slot to carry it out.

I am sick to death of women's anger being used against us. To silence or discredit us or put us back in our place

Women are not allowed to be angry. Especially about their rights. Creates cognitive dissonance in others.

Other women angry = hysterical <thus unreasonable and can be ignored>
Men angry = masterful, agenic, and powerful

But… going by this tribunal and other examples, what’s interesting is how apparently angry women creates cognitive dissonance in other women. Even creating this dissonance in women who somehow feel entitled to express their own anger.

hasn't AH's junior, JR, done some of the questioning before?