Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 8

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

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When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

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On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

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There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Who mentioned MN? Just someone on the chat or a real person at the tribunal?

Ooh! Who said that?

It was quoted in an email disapproving of us.

😂

Touché, Chrys.

Michelle Brewer resigned as a trustee of Gendered Intelligence on 30/01/2020.

Michelle Brewer is a trustee of Gendered Intelligence - did we know this?

Qq for anyone better informed - after Maya's successful appeal about gender critical views being "worthy of respect in a democratic society", do we know if the Equal Treatment Bench Book has been updated?

I'm just wondering if part of the issue here is that GCC are receiving messages about supposed transphobia from Stonewall, the initial (absurd) Maya ruling and the ETBB simultaneously that really made them think that AB would be classed as a bigot in the brave new world?

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Brewer is as slippery as a bowl of eels.

It's mentioned in Allison's statement.

(354) Separately to the tweets about me that they published, Garden Court also
wanted to put a statement on their website. This appears to have arisen from a request by Louise Hooper on behalf of the Trans Rights Working Group. She wrote to Heads of Chambers at 17:51 (Bundle Page 626-7). She complained that the launch of LGB Alliance was:

doing actual harm to the mental health of friends and others. We as a
chambers are clearly associated with the group in all of the papers (links
below) with Mumsnet celebrating GCs involvement with A Woman's
Place and their anti trans activities.

Cross post with you. Links aren't working but I've found a copy of their accounts and she's listed as a trustee who has resigned 30/01/2020.

Whenever Michelle Brewer's name comes up, it often seems to relate to communications where she's being biased, nasty, and/or libellous. She's now a judge. I wonder if this stuff could ever come up in a recusal application in a case where she's a judge on the basis that she doesn't seem balanced and fair?

I am getting tired of JK saying 'I'm sure you will take me to that point Mr Cooper' in a bored voice implying he's wasting everyone's time

That's the second spam message on these threads, does this indicate it is receiving a lot of traffic`?

She should recuse herself. I remember a custody case is the USA where the father lost all parental rights of their trans child. It turns out the Judge that made the ruling also had a trans child.

To mumsnet 🍾🍸

'It does stand for fuck's sake doesn't it?'

Ben is so polite when he's quite swearing

BC: it does stand for ‘for fucks sake, yes?’

love his tone when he says these

Quote swearing!

JK: it was completely fine for me to comment FFS to Stephanie Harrison when dealing with the AB matter in a completely open and even-handed way.

Judy Khan raised it in answer to a question.

BC - it does stand For Fuck's Sake doesn't it? He is having a fine time with the sweary language and Lesbians knickers 😂😂😂😂

JK: FFS was a private thing someone in chambers would say if something went wrong.

BC: It does stand for for fuck's sake though doesn't it

JK: yes.

😂

The other Ben Cooper QC on twitter is very nice and seems a wee bit terfy. Think we've convinced him 😛