Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 7

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

She was basically saying that yes she can imagine how some lesbians would feel at having their sexual boundaries pushed as she is a woman and knows what that feels like. But it was the way she spat it at him with raised volume. The whole thing at that point was more courtroom drama than court.

JFC. From nauticant's link. "Fucking across difference", in which:

"when we get over the idea that relationships between women are equal playing fields, this hard work can have such sweet rewards"

Of course "women" = all humans.

To this day, I'm astonished that SW thought this Cotton Ceiling workshop A Good Idea. I can only think that if they consulted a focus group, there were few, if any, lesbians present.

SW have quietly shifted the definition of LGB to meaning 'people compliant with a particular TQ+ political view' rather than 'diverse group whose sole connecting characteristic is being homosexual'.

So - Lesbian = person who believes woman is anyone of any sex who wishes to call themselves one, and that homosexual women must validate this by being blind to biological sex and prepared to 'overcome' the prejudice of being homosexual if this denies sexual relations to biological males.

All non compliant persons have been ditched as unclean, (chucked out of Pride, drummed out of groups). So the focus group would have been SW's own personal definition of lesbian.

Not lesbian as anyone else would understand it.

And SW have not shared that they have changed the definition and drummed out and rejected any LGB persons non compliant but still like to give the impression that they are representing all LGB people and are the one and only champion of, because all kinds of money and power and helpful PR involved in that which benefits their core TQ+ mission.

Hence why the LGBA is such a massive threat and the focus of such targeted rage. And Allison. And sunlight.

I wonder how many normies will look up the Terf Is A Slur website?

Is there a specific reason for the "cutted up pear" thing, or just a general allusion to overtired little kids having a strop?

This is a beautiful representation for those of us not able to log on to view/hear what's going on.

Given the description of Ben C QC, I am throwing Sam Ryder in as a candidate for the movie. No idea if he can act, but that's my visual impression. Kind of a Ben C QC/Thor mash up?

How does a public enquiry get off the ground, cos whether AB wins or loses, SW need to go?

I very much hope that Allison wins, of course. 🤞🏻

Won’t Stonewall and their definition be illegal after the LGB conversion therapy laws come into place?

It's this GAHgamel:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/1301196-If-my-3yo-had-access-to-AIBU

@GAHgamel Sacrilege!

Search 'cutter up pear' in the classics section here on MN & you'll get it.

BC is great. Totally unflappable. Calm. Never raises his voice. Gets his point across while being unfailingly polite. Deals with the barristers asking questions back to him or talking over him with softly spoken reminders.

Awesome, saves the hassle of searching for it. I thought the title was cutted up pear.

I love the way he says 'Stay with me and answer the question I'm asking....'

I'm going to start saying 'very well'. It seems pretty versatile.

Seem to be a fair few lesbians on this thread a little bit in love with Ben Cooper.

I love watching BC.
He's like a super intelligent Viking geek with a laser stare.

Have a look on cult pens, in particular at diamine inks. They're a bit heavily pigmented for fountain pens, it doesn't do the nib any good but for painting they're lovely and they range from small inexpensive pots to fantastic fantasy colours that have glitter in.

Ha, exactly this. I have This Life as my 'chambers' frame of reference. There was one rather nice-looking clerk who was on the screen briefly the other day.

As opposed to "Very good; very strong". I've always wanted to do this in a meeting but never quite had the nerve.

Cutted up pear really is sadly right on the nail.

Right down to hurling the pear and kicking in the shins.

Please could someone explain the gist of MIAs time giving evidence.

I didn't get the chance to say this on the last thread but thank you to the posters who provided the link for the daily round up.

Thank you to everyone watching and posting. TT is great - but obviously - you don't get the huffs and strops.

Ditto - my only experience of what a 'chambers' actually is! I bloody loved Anna.

I logged on to the hearing for the first time Monday & Tuesday and slogged through the very dry examination of billing with RM. Am so upset that I had to go to work today and miss the drama of today's hearing 😭Thank you all for bringing it to life. On a different note, can't believe those coy references to "sexual health" sounding like taking care of the hygiene of your bits when what they really mean is men getting their leg over.