Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 7

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Oh bless you, yes yesterday was dry as a bone. Today was quite extraordinary. But who knows what tomorrow might hold??

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus SW didn't have anything to do with the cotton ceiling workshop - it was held in 2012 by Planned Parenthood Toronto, but it was run by a person who was later hired by SW in the UK.

@CheeseComa , delurking to say that yes, we use diagrams sometimes. But what we always do is create a document called a Dramatis Personae, which lists all the names of literally everyone ever mentioned in the case, who they work for, and their job title. It’s an essential document that is agreed by the parties and also provided to the judge/panel.

Disclaimer - I don’t have an Employment Tribunal background so I don’t know if they also use DPs.

I'm now thinking of a this life +20. Anna has to be the judge. Miles AH I guess, the one that became Tina in EastEnders as AB -she went back to college after getting together with Joe- what else?

By the way didn't Jane Fallon (partner of Ricky Gervais write it) so she could be on of us too

Annoyingly, I can't watch tomorrow pm, but I'm sure BC will have time enough to have JK in knots well before lunch (the early start is a bonus, too). She'll be in the mood for that murder on Monday.

Have very much enjoyed reading everyone's contributions as again I wasn't able to log in sadly.

Now off to catch up on tribunal tweets which are here: threadreaderapp.com/thread/1526841192775917568.html

And here: threadreaderapp.com/thread/1526908583350308865.html

I've been musing that a significant advantage that BC has, among many excellent barristering qualities, is that in this case he simply wants the witnesses to tell the truth.

He's not seeking to lead them through trickery to a false narrative - he's asking very clearly for the truth. And he's very good at doing that, and/or showcasing the respondants' evasions and irascibility.

I've so enjoyed the posts here.

Allison seems to be in safe hands out there.

Looking to tomorrow (when I will try not to arrive in the courtroom just as someone is saying something they fear is a bit dodgy... or will choose a less alarming name).

Useful list of personnel here tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/allison-bailey-vs-stonewall-and-garden-d4b?s=w
Also summaries of the proceedings

Perhaps that will work out well for Stonewall because I really don’t think much of their barristers.

I’ve never needed a barrister before and hopefully I shan’t in the future but I do now have a list of people I would not dream of hiring (and only two I would engage).

I’ve never needed a barrister before and hopefully I shan’t in the future but I do now have a list of people I would not dream of hiring (and only two I would engage).

I said much the same thing DifficultBloodyWoman - I imagine our short-lists consist of the same two people!

He said knickers. Reader i swooned....

Thanks @oviraptor21. Im now much more confident having read the preliminary judgment. I think she's got a good case. Michelle Brewer's evidence is going to be vital. It all comes down to her and her influence within chambers I think.

can anyone outline Mias take on things please

I syspect that if he was appearing for the defendants his trickery would also be excellent...

SW didn't have anything to do with the cotton ceiling workshop - it was held in 2012 by Planned Parenthood Toronto, but it was run by a person who was later hired by SW in the UK.

You can hear a lot more about that person, and the sort of stuff going on in those communities, from detransitioner Benji (GNCcentric), who was personally involved. Interview here from 2019:

You can hear a lot more about that person, and the sort of stuff going on in those communities, from detransitioner Benji

could that or a transcript be used as evidence? It proves Alison’s concerns well-founded about this specific person and they have made rather a big deal about her expressing those concerns.

And it’s apparently not to late to introduce new evidence judging by the Terfy McTerfface incident.

This is really good piece by Raquel Rosario Sanchez which I don't think I've seen posted:

thecritic.co.uk/the-remarkable-poise-of-allison-bailey/

Agree whole-heartedly. 👏👏💐💐🤞

Sorry forgot to quote-tweet 🤦‍♀️

@Appalonia excellent sideways horse!!

I have about a thousand posts to catch up on, life stuff is v annoying getting in my way

Thank you, that is a really good article.

Great article.

Great article, thanks for posting.