Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 3

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.
You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.

On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

KM: they are trying to set things up that women are protected bc of their reproductive abilities

Holy fuckwow.

I feel that I should feel elated after this much sunlight but I feel like weeping. How has it been this exhausting a fight with adversaries like that!

Unless we're getting right down to the brass tacks (which K touched on today several times) that there are things male people may do and must be entitled to which female people are not. On the grounds of them not being of the entitled group. Which, however you try to disguise it and shout 'privilege' a lot, is just plain old discrimination on the basis of sex.

Which would be just boring old male supremacism.

Hm. Pulling back the curtain to reveal ...

Wait, has this whole exercise been some kind of extended and incredibly detailed homage to The Wizard of Oz?

[Did my hilarious picture fail to upload?]

Your picture is there birds

For everyone 🍷

Can I have a whiskey? Think I need it.

I've been trying to keep up with this thread while working and watching the tribunal and giving none my full attention, so apologies if this has already been raised, but my ears pricked up when BC mentioned the Centre Parcs debacle which happened (and which there was a thread on) a few years back.

BC mentioned that Centre Parcs had a policy that only fully transitioned TW could use the female changing rooms and KM said they objected to that because transitioning is a journey and so once you start the process you are trans, there is no 'fully transitioned'. (BC then said that he was merely reading the policy of the place)

I think KM was referring to the PC of Gender Reassignment in the EA and Centre Parcs meant fully transitioned as in surgery to remove/invert the penis, but I wonder whether the tribunal picked up that according to KM, self ID trumps everything else. So a man could just declare himself a transwoman and should be treated in all situations as a woman, regardless of what body is under his clothing. Because KM kept calling TW a sub set of women, whereas they are, of course, a subset of men.

I think then BC tried to push that point with the toilets and KM made a gag that if you see other people's bodies in the toilets then you're using the toilets all wrong. People laughed and that was that.

🍺I couldn't find whiskey Jules, but here's a beer.
I think we probably need some kittens for Allison tomorrow🐈

Thought just occurred to me that one day, this case will have to be taught on law, and HR CPD courses. Complete with cotton ceiling references

And the fucking terfy terf references?

I hope so. I hope it will be taught as it will be seminal.

Yes. Imagine putting a PowerPoint together with "suck my girldick" or whatever it was that BC quoted, and presenting it to new starters.

Great post Pluvia and many thanks to all those commenting and tweeting the proceedings. Totally extraordinary if not unexpected.

IO really didn't like BC reading out the delightful entries collated on terfisaslur, did she. He got through quoting only about 6 obscene rape/death/suck my girldick threats before she leapt in to say, basically, we shouldn't have to listen to any more vileness.

Love your post pluvia - sums it up nicely and angrily. What a time to be alive.

Wizard of Oz is spot on. Dog and all

@Pluvia Been catching up with the madness all day whilst on the move; this post stopped me in my tracks and has moved me to tears. You are so right

Maria Miller, Dawn Butler, Layla Moran, every single one of them should have listened to today and understood just what it is that they have been supporting.

Every senior NHS person who endorses and embeds this, every senior Civil Servant, every high-ranking office-holder in a university, every senior person in the FTSE 100 companies that enforce this SW view of the world as they want it, they should have to explain why they've accepted the influence of SW and its employees.

New thread

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

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