Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 3

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.
You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.

On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thanks for the new thread

Ah. The usual technical difficulties with sound to start the day.

Tech issues...again.

Surely this is why they should start at 9:30, so they can actually get going properly for 10?

I see IO and RMW are back in widescreen format with both of them on display. Don't know why they both need to be on show.

I know it’s been posted before somewhere but I wonder if someone could post again the address to send cards to Allison to?

I seem to remember it being c/o GCC, which would make sense, but also seems somehow counter-intuitive… Anyone?

I've got a rough idea, Pluvia...🤨

It's so we can get the full benefit of the pronouns.

Just finished reading AB’s witness statement - I cannot believe a group of social justice lawyers and advocates would treat her like this…simply because she wants to protect women from men?

i am actually dismayed. Do you think any of these people realise they’re the bad guy?

Witness intimidation, is my feeling

Can I view/read the bundle anywhere?

I think IO and RMW appear in wide screen for ego reasons - AH's Co-counsel doesn't feel the need to appear on his screen and neither does BC's but RMJ appears to need this validation

Meh. I can't get it to work. I'm in and hopefully muted, but just have a spinning reload circle. No visuals or sound. I've logged out and in again and tried chrome and safari. So annoying

@WookeyHole definitely stick with Chrome if possible Safari has more sound problems (although it's hard to imagine how the tech problems could be worse!)

Thanks @Chrysanthemum5 I'm on an iPad so using the Chrome app. I wonder if it's Apple sabotage! I'll try again shortly.

I am really enjoying the way in which Allison is using every opportunity offered to state the details of her case clearly for those of us watching/ reporting. I guess she'll have to be careful not to alienate the judge, but it's a very effective way of spelling out clearly how the accusations of her being transphobic came from the top down and was then circulated among the clerks and lower orders, as it were. AH would love to have this all skimmed over.

I don't care for AH's tactics...making Allison jump back and forth on the bundles like that is trying to make her look daft and that she can't keep up.

I feel AH's tone is that of a school teacher reprimanding a pupil.

"these are very serious allegations" Well yes, that's why we are here, examining them in a legal context, surely?! Allison is phenomenal isn't she?

Yes, he's very patronising. It's quite an interesting contrast with Stephen Lue's I'm really stupid me schtick the other week.

AH using the phrase 'rest assured' as a threat. Allison's explanation of the clerks' situation is interesting. I find AH's suggestion that in a group of maybe 30-40 people word wouldn't have filtered down and there wouldn't have been gossip and discussion disingenuous. Anyone who's ever worked in a small organisation will know about the power dynamics involved.

When I initially heard about the case I thought that Stonewall was a major client of the Garden Court, but it turns out that in terms of revenue they were not a client at all. Yet in her statement Allison describes how some in the chambers dissed an actual client who had written to support Allison.
It is all very odd and unprofessional. They have even lost the ability to do bland corporate responses (which I assume they had before) when it comes to this issue. They didn't reply even to significant people who supported her. Not even a 'thank you for your email, this is a sensitive area, we are all learning, and we always welcome your thoughts' blah blah. I guess they really didn't want to encourage any kind of conversation with the people who supported Allison's right to speak.
Similarly when they published the tweets saying she was being investigated. Not a neutral holding notice, just anti-allison. No thinking about her rights as the person being complained about.

Why aren't they more mature?

AH is citing Kristina Eleftheriou (spelling ?) because she's a lowly clerk and he's trying to suggest that Allison is being horrid by naming her in the suit. Trying to make Allison out as the Bad Person and trying to make it sound as if her career will be blighted.

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Slightly confused over threads, place-marking to keep up to speed as the day progresses.

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