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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Starting on 28 October Judicial Review of prison guidelines on transgender - and launch of new web site Keep Prisons Single Sex

299 replies

stumbledin · 26/10/2020 18:20

Thanks to recent contributors to the thread started over a year ago about a woman assaulted by a trans person allowed into a women's prison www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3733987-Judicial-review-for-woman-prisoner-alleging-sexual-assault-by-trans-rapist-in-prison there is news that the court case will start this week.

Fairplay for women have info about this on their twitter account pbs.twimg.com/media/ElKU7HjWMAAcN48?format=jpg&name=900x900

Also worth following a new group Keep Prisons Single Sex who are launching their web site soon twitter.com/NoXYinXXprisons

And others are also posting on this.

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ArabellaScott · 26/10/2020 19:41

Great, thanks. Not on twitter but will keep an eye on here for updates.

McDuffy · 26/10/2020 19:48

Thanks for flagging. I've supported FPFW on sports stuff so am thrilled they're involved in this and have donated.

RozWatching · 26/10/2020 20:02

Copying this posted by DerryWitch on the other thread
full history of how we got here in policy decisions on threads by @ stillTISH starting here

twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1190956174105088001?s=20

Illuminating reading^
The director of the Gender Identity Clinic has some pretty warped views of women.
Apparently the only women who might object to co-habiting with a violent male criminal are "the sort who enjoy conflict".

stumbledin · 26/10/2020 23:33

Arabella - I'm not on twitter but its possible to read posts and threads unless they are hidden.

But what I have found recently is that if I follow a link from mumsnet it says I can view it. But if I just copy the url into my browser it works fine.

Makes you think that twitter doesn't want mumsnetters watching what they are doing!

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stumbledin · 26/10/2020 23:37

@fairplaywomen
We put an advert in a prison mag asking women to write to us

"They still have their men parts and walk around with one officer. No one feels safe but everyone is scared to say something as they don’t want to make their sentence worse."

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1320830611993579521

Angry
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HecatesCats · 26/10/2020 23:39

@RozWatching

Copying this posted by DerryWitch on the other thread full history of how we got here in policy decisions on threads by @ stillTISH starting here

twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1190956174105088001?s=20

Illuminating reading^
The director of the Gender Identity Clinic has some pretty warped views of women.
Apparently the only women who might object to co-habiting with a violent male criminal are "the sort who enjoy conflict".

That thread, I'm so angry.
EmpressJKRowlingSpartacus · 27/10/2020 04:13

The Keep Prisons Single Sex website is up: www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/

SunsetScreech · 27/10/2020 07:18

Thank you. Will be watching this thread.

jhuizinga · 27/10/2020 09:34

Glad to hear Janice Turner talking about this JR a few minutes ago on Times Radio. Thanks, Janice!

EmpressJKRowlingSpartacus · 27/10/2020 09:41

There’s an article in the Times this morning too. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d2886f0c-17b1-11eb-a714-6e13d8ca860f?shareToken=73d8808809e0aa3147346a74f32bab1d

HecatesCats · 27/10/2020 09:50

@jhuizinga

Glad to hear Janice Turner talking about this JR a few minutes ago on Times Radio. Thanks, Janice!
Janice 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Cocothefirst · 27/10/2020 10:02

I'm glad this issue is being brought to light.

MaudTheInvincible · 27/10/2020 10:09

Thanks for the share token Empress

KeepPrisonsSingleSex · 27/10/2020 10:32

Just come to say hello!

Yes, as well as the excellent work being done by Fair Play, we have also been very busy. For those not on Twitter, this is what we have done:

  1. Women across Labour and Conservative parties have been writing to Ministers, key MPs and Peers notifying them of the JR this week, highlighting particular vulnerabilities women in prison face, and asking them to support our call that prison policy & practice should reflect the single-sex exceptions in the Equality Act that allow for all males, regardless of GRC or protected characteristic gender reassignment, to be excluded from single-sex spaces for women.
  1. We have focussed on the media, speaking to both print and broadcast media to ensure the JR and the issues it raises are given the publicity & attention they deserve. As well as focussing on the right to single sex spaces, we have discussed the particular injustice of housing males convicted of violent sexual offences against women in the female prison estate. The needs of women have consistently & callously been ignored throughout the development of the policy permitted at least some males to be housed in the female estate.
  1. We have produced an open letter signed by legal professionals, academics and those working in the prison service calling for the Ministry of Justice, HM Prisons & Probation Service and the Scottish Prisons Service to bring policy & practice in line with the Equality Act.
  1. We have launched our website, which include a section on what you can do. Please read this. Challenge the media whenever you can. Write to your MP. Make sure this issue stays in the public eye.
www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/
  1. I did an interview with Glinner, which will go up on his channel.
  1. We will be attending court on both days to liaise with media. We will live tweet where we can and follow up with a report of the day's proceedings each evening.
Please follow @fairplaywomen for information and coverage as well.

I am here and doing this because of taking part in threads on MN five years ago. MN is incredible. Never underestimate what can happen because of the amazing women here.

littlbrowndog · 27/10/2020 10:39

💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪

Cocothefirst · 27/10/2020 10:41

Well done team

TheFleegleHasLanded · 27/10/2020 10:41

Janice at 3.27.57

www.thetimes.co.uk/radio/show/20201027-1059/2020-10-27

NonnyMouse1337 · 27/10/2020 10:42

Thank you so much for your time and effort in taking this on, KeepPrisonsSingleSex. Flowers

FindTheTruth · 27/10/2020 10:46

5. I did an interview with Glinner, which will go up on his channel.

looking forward to that.

Who are the live tweeters at the trial tomorrow?

HecatesCats · 27/10/2020 10:46

Thank you for all you do 🙏🏼 Thanks also for the advice on writing to your MP on the website www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/copy-of-challenge-the-media

FindTheTruth · 27/10/2020 11:03

❤️I am here and doing this because of taking part in threads on MN five years ago. MN is incredible. Never underestimate what can happen because of the amazing women here.❤️

🌻🌼🌸🌷🌺

persistentwoman · 27/10/2020 11:15

And this is why we get people on here like recent posters trying to shut FWR down. Well done everyone involved.

When sleeping women wake, mountains move

FindTheTruth · 27/10/2020 11:15

I'll send an email to my MP.

I'll use my own words as Jackie Doyle MP advised that she only read individual letters and not mass campaign ones. The template letter is very useful. I'll also ask

  1. why were only trans groups consulted on the trans inclusion guidelines when it affects women? Surely all policy and law public consultations should consult with all groups in a democratic society. - especially the nine other groups of protected characteristics under the EA, including SEX.

  2. Did the MoJ pay for these consultations? how much?

3)Why are the MoJ and government consulting with Gendered Intelligence, an extremist organisation?

Hopefully I'll get a reply, if not it may have been filtered out like emails to Rosie Duffield were binned by her TRA staff.

persistentwoman · 27/10/2020 11:22

Such an important question FindTheTruth Why is it that only trans groups are ever consulted about women's rights, spaces, sport? This is why they are being removed with unprecedented speed and the most vulnerable women are harmed.

Nothing about us without us.

KeepPrisonsSingleSex · 27/10/2020 11:23

Excellent questions to ask FindTheTruth.

Thank you!

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