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A woman is an adult female human

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Pratchet · 03/07/2018 10:18

Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus

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Lottapianos · 03/07/2018 10:20

'It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it. '

Well said. I still cant believe we're at the point where stating a biological fact is controversial in any way

Theinconstantgardener · 03/07/2018 10:23

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it
^^
This

littlbrowndog · 03/07/2018 10:24

With u Pratchet all the way

Beautifulday49 · 03/07/2018 10:27

Very well said. Venceremos. No surrender.

LangCleg · 03/07/2018 10:29

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

Pratchet · 03/07/2018 10:31

JD?

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SisyphusWasGenderCritical · 03/07/2018 10:31

The trans agenda has been damaging to my wellbeing and mental health. I frequently have to take a step back from it, as the lies, the gaslighting and the misogyny are very difficult to deal with. And I say that as a middle aged woman who has had more than her share of misogyny and abuse.

But I will not back down. I will not be compelled to lie.

Transwomen are not women.
Transwomen are transwomen and are biologically male. Transmen are transmen and are biologically female

Transwomen, and transmen, should have the same rights to freedom, privacy and dignity as any other human being on the planet, and in the same way, their rights should not trump the rights of any other human being on the planet.

AngryAttackKittens · 03/07/2018 10:32

Yep. Repeating nonsense over and over again doesn't make it true. A woman is an adult human female.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 03/07/2018 10:32

A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role

I still can't quite get over the fact that people will try and argue that that is not true. When did people get so unable to process basic facts and so unable to apply even a modicum of critical thinking?

LumpySpacedPrincess · 03/07/2018 10:32

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Racecardriver · 03/07/2018 10:33

You're a goatphobe!

Snappity · 03/07/2018 10:33

A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

Which is a definition which excludes many intersex people from being classified as either male or female.

Pratchet · 03/07/2018 10:34

Yes Lumpy. That's an active choice they made, and are still making, and it's a choice the government has made.

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HumphreyCobblers · 03/07/2018 10:34

"It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it."

I couldn't agree more.

I have found my mental health significantly impaired by this whole debate. I was on the first Spartacus thread but I hardly post now because I am so distressed by the willingness of otherwise decent men to throw women as a class under the bus and claim moral rectitude by doing so, and by the way in which many women are colluding in our own extinction.

Thank you so much for all of you brave women who continue to state the case so eloquently. I am sorry I am not more use.

MistOnTheWater · 03/07/2018 10:36

can I cheer you all up with a quote from my trans mate? (I have permission)
Anyways here it is 'I know perfectly well I'm biologically male. I don't want to be cos it's shit'
So I know (properly) a grand total of one trans person. Who is very grand Grin

SisyphusWasGenderCritical · 03/07/2018 10:36

As if you care about intersex people Snappity. Stop co-opting people's medical conditions to justify your logically bullshit arguments

Pratchet · 03/07/2018 10:37

Mist: if he doesn't speak up publicly he is colluding.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 03/07/2018 10:38

Absolutely Pratchet. This needs to be said again and again - especially now that it is being spoken about more and more in the media. It is central to the whole issue.

FWIW, I don't think anything you've posted contravenes MN Guidelines. We are allowed to state biological facts.

Pratchet · 03/07/2018 10:38

Humphrey: I was a lurker and you were one of those who showed me what this ideology is. Thank you so much.

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SisyphusWasGenderCritical · 03/07/2018 11:08

Thread out of jail now?

FissionChips · 03/07/2018 11:08

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ScienceIsTruth · 03/07/2018 11:08

I agree. Humans can't change sex. Women cannot become men and men cannot become women. It's that simple.

Bespin · 03/07/2018 11:08

Exellent shall we continue

Totally with you on woman is an adult female human and trans woman are not that we are biologically male totally right. The social and legal definition of woman as a class now also includes trans woman as part of it for many people but for you it does not and never will. We can not change that if enough people also feel like you then that definition will no doubt change not to include it only time will tell on that

ScienceIsTruth · 03/07/2018 11:10

Nic Williams was on talk radio this morning, spiralling about the consultation and the aims of FPFW. It was very interesting.

ScienceIsTruth · 03/07/2018 11:10

*speaking.