A woman is an adult female human

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Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus

So we have reached the point where it is now going to be considered hate speech to say that a woman is an adult female human?

THIS IS FUCKING MADNESS!!!

When Harvey Weinstein was exposed there were threads full of women “relentlessly” posting #metoo and sharing their stories. Intentionally gathering together in one place with the sole purpose of saying they had been a victim of sexual violence. Those threads were allowed. Because those women and their stories mattered.

When the abortion referendum in Ireland was approaching, women gathered on MN to “relentlessly” share their stories and support for legalised abortion. Those threads were allowed to stand. Because those women and their stories mattered.

When the very definition of a woman is under attack women have gathered to “relentlessly” claim and defend it. But these threads aren’t allowed to stand. Because these women and their right to be defined by the fact of their biological sex don’t matter.

When did women stop mattering to you HQ?

Threads like this may not be allowed to stand in the future?

Really?

The fact that women's legal rights, protections and the very definition of "woman" is being threatened - and this is your take on it?

Did you spot the name of this website? Are you planning to change it to parentsnet?

What about your better birth care campaign? Your PND campaign? Your let girls be girls campaign? They are all focused on women and girls and based on the FACTS that we have distinct biological features which cause us to be discriminated against and disadvantaged.

Nobody is denying that trans-peoples voices need to be heard, or that they need protection. You are spectacularly missing the point that what we are objecting to is that a core of activists are trying to erase women's rights to achieve this.

You are not the BBC. You aren't a charity either. What you are is a website which runs on the back of the content generated by your members - who are overwhelmingly female. You claim to be "Mumsnet" - where is your support for women?

@Lang

Love you too babes. It's a sad fucking day when a feminist board is telling women that's it's not appropriate for too many of them to be speaking at once.

I've been lurking on loads of of websites where blokes are completely derogatory towards trans peeps. They don't get the hassle. Just mumsnet do - cos we're wimmins.

Perhaps I should be clear to horrible people that my right hook is very handy. Doubt it would stop them. I'd end up having to get DP to glare at them (him being a man)

So we can say what we think but just the once?

And if someone's already posted their thoughts that echo our own we mustn't post in agreement?

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

@Datun

HQ, what on earth is happening there? You are saying this has to be a civil debate, but you have already instructed us that we are not allowed to put forward our opinion.

Datun, you absolutely can express your opinion, and in fact the words in the OP would have been left if they were posted as part of a general discussion of gender and self id.

But when the whole point of the thread is to get posters to say the same words over and over, that's inflammatory. It's not the same thing as a thread to discuss Penny Mordaunt's language or how to get involved in the consultation, or to recommend a good form of words to mail your MP.

Glad this thread is back.

The dictionary definition of woman has worked for many generations. There is no reason why it should suddenly stop working today.

What was Samuel Pepys' definition?

(If the R4 series is anything to go by, he did not struggle with that )

It's a sad fucking day when a feminist board is telling women that's it's not appropriate for too many of them to be speaking at once.

I was laughing earlier but I'm not now. My gast is well and truly flabbered. I hope this is all borne of not wanting to look silly for the original mistake in the first locking of the thread but I fear it is not.

oh dear, should have RTFT

I have the same feeling I had when I was with my abusive ex. Dismissed, belittled, unimportant.

And you are also forgetting that Justine stood up publicly and said that Mumsnet was one of the few places where women could speak openly about their concerns on the creep of trans-activism infringing on sex segregated spaces.

In view of this are you really surprised that women want to publicly state what they cannot do elsewhere? What women are being publicly vilified, attacked, threatened, intimidated and shouted down for trying to say?

Did you miss the bomb scare that WPUK received for the Hastings meeting? That's right - a group of women who want to talk about the need for sex segregated spaces to protect females, had to go to the police because they received a bomb threat.

The vagina is a female sex organ.

Giving birth is something that only females do.

Putting on a dress does not make you a woman.

Oxford Dictionary Definition of "inflammatory":

"arousing or intended to arouse angry or violent feelings."

So women are saying something that might make men angry. Or make men violent - because I'm not seeing anything that is advocating violence against anyone.

So your official position Kate is that women are not allowed to write anything that makes men angry. Or indeed other women angry.

Truly truly extraordinary.

And I have my Samuels in a muddle - it was Johnson

But when the whole point of the thread is to get posters to say the same words over and over, that's inflammatory.

That hasn’t been the case in the past. #metoo wasn’t considered inflammatory despite being exactly that- getting posters to say the same words over and over again.

So Mumsnet - a site where women's biology plays a pretty substantial role - does not agree that woman equals adult human female? Or that adult human females are the ones with XX chromosomes, large gametes, vulvas & whatnot?

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If this - the whole what defines a woman - narrative were a book, it would be laughed at.

But nobody did repeat it. There weren't multiple identical posts from the same person.

It was all different posters putting their own opinion on the title of the thread. I thought that's how threads were supposed to work.

I'm out for the moment.

I am sitting here crying - genuinely crying.

I am so upset and angry.

And I am frightened. For myself, my female relatives, my female friends and all of the feminists who are working to try and stop this madness.

I don't know if I'll be back.

My God.

Policing women's words. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

MNHQ - please back down. Please think. You're in the wrong here and doubling down on it isn't helping. You're preventing women from asserting their own womanhood in solidarity with one another. You're explicitly saying that this is an inflammatory thing to do. Is that really your intention. Please. Think.

I suppose people sitting singing 'we shall not be moved' together was deemed 'inflammatory' by some.

That's the spirit of these threads.

Indeed, all those women hashtagging their Twitter posts #metoo should have added #ifthat'soktosayiwouldn'twanttomakeanymenfeelbad and #sorrytobotheryou.

It's not the same thing as a thread to discuss Penny Mordaunt's language or how to get involved in the consultation, or to recommend a good form of words to mail your MP.

I'm sorry but I'm just so gobsmacked.

So mumsnet position is that it is only acceptable for women to debate political issues for their own rights by discussing how best to politely write to their MPs or politely get involved in a consultation.

This is beyond unbelievable.

Let's be honest, a bunch of women saying we are adult human females in different variants isn't inflammatory at all.

So what's the real issue here?