A woman is an adult female human

[Pratchet]

Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus

And we're back! "Woman" still does not have multiple meanings, it always means adult human female. If the male people who would rather not be male wish to exist as their own social class they are welcome to do so, but they are not women.

I am Spartacus.

A woman is an adult human female.

Humans cannot change sex.

If we can’t acknowledge sec then sexism cannot be named and dealt with.

ALL lurkers need to write to their MP NOW. If you’ve already written, write again.

As if you care about intersex people Snappity. Stop co-opting people's medical conditions to justify your logically bullshit arguments

Yes this. Generally intersex people do not want to be dragged into this debate to further the trans ideology. Intersex is a physical medical condition. It is not a feeling.

Free at last!

I reclaim all our words. They belong to us. Male people can't have them.

Adult human female for me.

Nobody can change their sex.

Good to see this thread back. Being a woman is not a feeling, women are adult female humans.

We need to be able to define this - as many others have said, words have power (clearly).

A woman is an adult human female.

I don't understand how this has become controversial?

Hi all, sorry for the confusion! This thread was locked by a new member of staff while we take a look at it, and they didn't know that we normally post a message to say what we're doing when that's the case.
Now we're going to re-close it while we discuss in the office.

Which is a definition which excludes many intersex people from being classified as either male or female.

Incorrect. We are stating that ‘To be of the class of something.’

A woman. The definition is: to be of the class that bears live young and produces ova: a woman who is infertile is still of that class. A woman who has had a hysterectomy is still of that class. A woman who has had cancer treatment and both ovaries removed is still of that class. A woman born with incomplete or malformed reproductive parts due to a DSD (disorder of sexual development for lurkers) is still of that class.

EVERYONE is Male or female, regardless of surgery, birth or developmental abnormalities etc.

Intersex people are not a transgender ‘gotcha.’

Hi all

Thanks for bearing with us - the thread was moving very quickly so we suspended it briefly while we discussed it here.

While the guidelines allow posters to 'discuss biology and scientific evidence' in the course of civil debate, we don't think that's quite what's going on here. The purpose of the thread seems to us to be to gather posters together to repeat the same point over and over again. In effect, the thread as a whole is inflammatory - that isn't conducive to civil debate and seems likely to make Mumsnet feel hostile by most trans people, regardless of their ideology.

We understand that there is great strength of feeling today about the opening of the GRA consultation, so we're going to let this stand for now. But please be very aware of out Talk Guidelines when posting, and do note that we won't be able to allow threads like this going forward.

Thanks

MNHQ

What is there to discuss in the "office" biological facts are REAL.

I can attest to this as I'm currently feeling very cranky having lots of blood pouring out of me!

Why is biological fact "inflammatory"?

Lock it, why? What we are speaking is simply the factual, unbiased truth. Men and women are biologically separate from one another and no amount of hurt feelz, or people being made to tell lies, will ever actually change that.

Why aren't we allowed to state reality? Where else do you makes such draconian and nonsensical decisions?

May as well rename yourself 'Transnet' because 'Mum' has a biological meaning, and probably triggers someone, somewhere!

This has actually made me cry and I don't cry easily.

Why do you think women may be repeating biological facts? What purpose might it serve? Does stopping women from discussing factual, observable reality not prove the point @Pratchett was making.

How is biological fact "inflammatory"?

Does anybody think that MNHQ are being threatened?

I don't believe the intent is to be inflammatory.

It's pretty simply, women asserting what a woman is. Women stating they do not consent to having the word 'woman' redefined.

💡all becomes clear

The purpose of the thread seems to us to be to gather posters together to repeat the same point over and over again.

And women gathering to speak is an issue?

@AngryAttackKittens

Why is biological fact "inflammatory"?

It's not, AngryAttackKittens - but the act of repeating it relentlessly is not really not the same thing as stating it as part of a civil debate in which an opposing view could make itself heard if it wished.

Some points are important enough to need stating over and over again, especially when a government minister has just stated something to the contrary in defiance of all science or logic.

Actual scientific biology is inflammatory and needs discussed
wow, just wow
astonishing and utterly laughable
I 100% agree with the original op, every.single.word

..an opposing view to biological reality?

I'm glad the decision has been made to keep the thread open.

This thread is an act of solidarity for gender critical women. We stand together in our belief that a woman is an adult human female.

The UK's minister for women and equalities has stated that transwomen are women and in doing so gives a government stamp of approval over the idea that gender is innate, and implicitly endorses the idea that there is a feminine essence or soul which alone determines whether one is male or female. This is setting women's rights back by decades and should not allowed to stand unchallenged.

The Equality Act definition of a woman is adult human female. As is the biological definition.

Women still after100 years have not achieved equality. Look at how mothers’ incomes drop off a cliff after childbirth and never recover.

We most definitely definitely do not have equality in terms of medical research and treatment.

Transwomen will never suffer these inequalities. How can we address inequality if we cannot even name ourselves without including a class of people who do not share in our oppression?