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A woman is an adult female human

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Pratchet · 03/07/2018 10:18

Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus

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HopeMumsnet · 03/07/2018 11:15

Hi all, sorry for the confusion! This thread was locked by a new member of staff while we take a look at it, and they didn't know that we normally post a message to say what we're doing when that's the case.
Now we're going to re-close it while we discuss in the office.

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KateMumsnet · 03/07/2018 11:37

Hi all

Thanks for bearing with us - the thread was moving very quickly so we suspended it briefly while we discussed it here.

While the guidelines allow posters to 'discuss biology and scientific evidence' in the course of civil debate, we don't think that's quite what's going on here. The purpose of the thread seems to us to be to gather posters together to repeat the same point over and over again. In effect, the thread as a whole is inflammatory - that isn't conducive to civil debate and seems likely to make Mumsnet feel hostile by most trans people, regardless of their ideology.

We understand that there is great strength of feeling today about the opening of the GRA consultation, so we're going to let this stand for now. But please be very aware of out Talk Guidelines when posting, and do note that we won't be able to allow threads like this going forward.

Thanks

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KateMumsnet · 03/07/2018 11:44

@AngryAttackKittens

Why is biological fact "inflammatory"?

It's not, AngryAttackKittens - but the act of repeating it relentlessly is not really not the same thing as stating it as part of a civil debate in which an opposing view could make itself heard if it wished.

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KateMumsnet · 03/07/2018 11:47

@Baroquehavoc

And women gathering to speak is an issue?

Absolutely not - but we don't think that people are gathering for civil debate here. As we've said elsewhere, when the fundamental terms of the debate are contested the only thing we can really do is to put civil debate at the heart of our moderation.

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KateMumsnet · 03/07/2018 12:26

@Datun

HQ, what on earth is happening there? You are saying this has to be a civil debate, but you have already instructed us that we are not allowed to put forward our opinion.

Datun, you absolutely can express your opinion, and in fact the words in the OP would have been left if they were posted as part of a general discussion of gender and self id.

But when the whole point of the thread is to get posters to say the same words over and over, that's inflammatory. It's not the same thing as a thread to discuss Penny Mordaunt's language or how to get involved in the consultation, or to recommend a good form of words to mail your MP.

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KateMumsnet · 03/07/2018 14:00

@Datun

We are actually talking about women's rights and the very definition of the word woman changing.

But aren't allowed to say what our definition is, and that of the rest of the world!!

Stop it.

Datun, really truly we are NOT preventing this from being said. If you used any of the words in the OP as part of another discussion, in the course of making your point, they would be allowed to stand because they "discuss biology and scientific evidence".

I really would ask everyone here to take on board the fact that it's really not the words in themselves. The problem is that those words are being weaponised on this thread, which implicitly calls on posters to repeat them to the point where the volume cannot but feel hostile to a trans person who came across it in Active. Not a TRA, just any individual trans person trying to live their life.

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