A woman is an adult female human

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Of the sex whose reproductive role is to gestate and bear young.

Let's just say this while we still can. Because it's true, and however many people try to make us lie about it, or remain silent, it will always be true.

In times of universal deceit, speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

It hurts MY feelings to see 'transwomen are women'. It damages MY mental health to see that, it makes ME feel erased and MY identity feel destroyed. I have a voice and I deserve that voice. WE deserve it.

I am Spartacus. A woman is an adult female human. Sex is binary, immutable and defined by reproductive role.

If you report me, or get me banned you shoot the messenger. Because this is true and will always be true. And this day, this day of a lie, I WILL say it.

#Spartacus

@mumsnet - you've been a rock through various parts of my life but I can't believe what you've written. Women - adult female humans - must be allowed to define and defend their right to be called women. FFS. We're angry, and rightly so.

I am Spartacus.

I am woman. An adult human female.

Humans cannot change sex.

Mumsnet HQ, your trans masters may eat you last, but they will eat you.

KateMN, it doesn't matter how many inches you give. The TRA lobby will not be satisfied.

Sites like kiwifarms are openly & blatantly anti-trans but they're not under attack like MN. And that's because they see you as an easy target.

HQ, what on earth is happening there? You are saying this has to be a civil debate, but you have already instructed us that we are not allowed to put forward our opinion.

How is this supposed to work?

The debate must be civil, but we are not allowed to start with our own premise? Or answer the premise of the woman who is going to be responsible for this law?

That she has stated. Publicly.

Is it the number of women who have the same premise that's a problem?

Do you now have to reduce the number of women who can talk? Limit the number of posters?

What is going on?

So MNHQ - if women aren't adult human females, and men aren't adult human males - where do babies come from?

The purpose of the thread seems to us to be to gather posters together to repeat the same point over and over again.

Isn't that most threads in aibu after the first 10 posts?

Can't have women repeating a point can we? Someone might hear

Given how often we're told that the meaning of words changes during all this, I think it's actually important to make it clear that the common usage of the word 'woman' hasn't changed. That most people still understand it to be 'adult, human, female'

It's especially galling given this is in a debate about the right to self-define, that women are being refused the right to keep their own definition of themselves, because men want to redefine the word to include them!

but the act of repeating it relentlessly is not really not the same thing as stating it as part of a civil debate in which an opposing view could make itself heard if it wished.

So we can say what we think but just the once?

Back in your box ladies. Or whatever the fuck we are now.

This is unbelievable.

So the suffragettes should have just been allowed to hold up the one banner and then they should have fucked off home?

I'm finding mumsnet is being pretty hostile to me as a woman. Or whatever the fuck I am now.

This is extraordinary behaviour of free speech moderation.

How can there be debate if women aren't allowed to speak?

If women can't gather together to defend our biology on the Mumsnet FWR boards, where can we do it?

So the suffragettes should have just been allowed to hold up the one banner and then they should have fucked off home?

Was a bit unladylike of them to keep marching around after it had been made clear to them that some people didn't like it.

"Still, she persisted...actually no she didn't, that would have been awfully rude of her."

This is what 'TWAW' is - strident repetition. My thread wasn't strident repetition.

If I'm about to get banhammered for insubordination - love you all, see some of you at the other place, and never give up

I love you too. You're funny, sharp, witty and brilliant. You're defiant, direct, blunt and assertive.

Any website for women should be proud to have you.

WTF am I reading? Seriously, MNHQ if biological reality is no longer allowed to be discussed, most of this site will have to be shut down.

Ask yourself why this website is coming in for so much flack when far worse things are said by men on other sites...

@OrchidInTheSun

You're allowed to say what you think one time. Politely. So that it doesn't upset anyone that you disagree with. And then you must be polite and not say anything more.

Our own government has come out and made statements that cannot be considered truthful in any meaningful sense. Women are about to be erased as a legal class.

We should be concerned about this.

This is really very sad. Just when we need an easy means of communication about the GRA consultation and the Government's LGBT survey, Mumsnet makes itself a really hostile environment for women.

I've sent my email to the other place but I think I've not been found acceptable. I don't blame them at all for being extra careful in the current climate.

AIBU for not using Mumsnet anymore? What do other boards think about this I wonder?

MNHQ when you shut down threads like this for being 'inflammatory' or 'uncivil' you are reinforcing the sexist notion that women must always put themselves last, take care of everyone else's feelings and above all BE NICE.

If that's really what this site is all
about why not delete all the interesting political and philosophical threads and only allow discussions about makeup and cake?

Can't have women repeating a point can we? Someone might hear.

Indeed.

Ah the threads back. Up to page 2. Sorry to hear about your issues Newspeak - do hope it's nothing serious

I can attest to this as I'm currently feeling very cranky having lots of blood pouring out of me!

It's frankly weird when of all people its MNHQ who sound like they are endorsing this without a flicker or irony.

Your wrongthink will not be tolerated, please amend your definition of the word woman and place the old definition down the memory hole. B-B! B-B! B-B!

Please can someone tell me were the other place is, I know it's difficult to trust now, but this board is what enlightened me about the horrors of self ID . I haven't been here very long but have never name changed. So is there some way to give me a link. Thank you.
Because I can see Mumsnet is going to completely let us down.

The purpose of the thread seems to us to be to gather posters together to repeat the same point over and over again.

The difference is you are terming it inflammatory.

Do you seriously think the women here want to go out of their way to inflame the trans-lobby?

Do you seriously think that using the dictionary definition of words could be considered inflammatory?

Just because it enrages transactivists doesn't make it inflammatory.

'Why do you make me do this?' is the name of the abuser's manual.

There is not an authority in the land who would be able to justify that saying women are adult human females is an inflammatory statement.

On a woman's rights board.

About legal rights for women.

That are about to change.

No one on here is doing this to inflame.

It's to set the terms for discussion about changing the law.

Everyone is unified in this definition.

Acknowledging that most women understand the definition of words is not inflammatory.

Bring on the debate!

We can easily keep it civil.