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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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NatoPMT · 03/03/2020 18:27

Lego... in addition, soap also actively dissolves that outer layer. It’s a lipid layer that needs fat dissolving action

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 18:28

4 cases of #Coronavirus now in #Portugal

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 18:29

Argentina reports first case of coronavirus - Clarin

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 18:29

UAE closing all schools for at least 4 weeks due to coronavirus - state media

NatoPMT · 03/03/2020 18:31

Zinc lozenge update

Had no coldy feeling all day after having the lozenge earlier until 15 mins ago - I could feel a bit in my lungs when I breathed in, and was aware of my throat

Just had a 3rd and the feeling has now gone - again, I’m super impressed with these, going to buy a second packet tomorrow to give out to friends / there’s lots in each pack

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 18:31

Thanks NatoPMT I couldn't remember if viruses had a protein or lipid outer, I think they can have both? I only really remember bateria especially e.coli facts as that was something I actually tested for in the lab work.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 03/03/2020 18:32

That isn’t the plan. They can’t contain it.

But it was the plan, @IceWings, hence 'Containment Phase', and only this morning they were still saying that that's the phase we're in. The fact that they are also admitting c. 80% of people will get it is because the containment phase has been botched, as I said.

Puppycorn · 03/03/2020 18:33

@FourTeaFallOut True. I have a small online business for hobby and it’s not doing well at the moment because of this virus.

Also I wanted to ask this to people who have bought masks .. where can we find kids mask? I read somewhere that hygge bands can be used as a mask and even ordered some to test today (yes, I know it’s microfibre not nano one) but I don’t think it will work. Thank you.

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 18:36

NHS England declares coronavirus a level 4 incident, the highest level of emergency - Sky News

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 18:44

I am really trying to resist the urge to visit my mum and ask her to bunker down. But she probably wouldn't. My mum is a strange one. I suspect she has ASD and a personality disorder. I tried to talk to her about covid at the weekend but she just ignores certain topics, she changes the subject without acknowledging what I have said.

I just took that it wasnt on her radar. But I think it should be.

IveGotBillsTheyreMultiplying · 03/03/2020 18:48

*Lego
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Thanks!

KundaliniRising · 03/03/2020 18:49

@NatoPMT hoping that you and your friend heal fast, Flowers

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 18:50

NEW: U.S. death toll from coronavirus rises to 7 after Washington man who died 6 days ago is found to have been infected - NYT

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 18:51

Another 6 people in #Stockholm - #sweden have been confirmed to have the #coronavirus. 15 new cases have been added today, and in total 30 people are currently infected by the #coronavirus.

Destinysdaughter · 03/03/2020 18:51

Just got back from Sainsbury's. Two thirds of the pasta was gone, looks like pp are stocking up!

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 18:54

Sounds lots my mum Lego
She's currently ignoring me because I told her I didn't want her to come and visit us in 2 weeks.
She is staying in a tourist town nearby and goes to the bingo and in arcades and is stopping at a huge hotel.
I just don't want to take the risk for my son.
She's terrible at cleanliness at the best of times.

KundaliniRising · 03/03/2020 18:56

*@VenetoResident does your ds like almonds? They are good for boosting post illness apatite and building up after being unwell, almond milk would work if he finds it easier atm. I hope that he recovers soon, poor boy.

FelicityFebruary · 03/03/2020 19:03

Good to hear he's up and about a wee bit, Veneto.

FelicityFebruary · 03/03/2020 19:07

I was just becoming a little zen when I read that Boris Johnson is going to carry on shaking hands. I guess that's what WHO mean by cultural allowances regarding social distancing.

I am not of his culture, that I am surer of than ever.

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 19:07

Can someone look at this medical paper that someone is referring to on twitter. www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032
They are saying it shows that younger people do show severe symptoms sometimes.

I am terrible at working out things like this

RedLentilYellowLentil · 03/03/2020 19:08

Nice to hear from you, @VenetoResident. Glad you and yours are on the up. Smile

Wiifitmama · 03/03/2020 19:11

@NatoPMT Can you please link to which lozenges you are talking about? I am googling but not finding much. Thanks!

RedLentilYellowLentil · 03/03/2020 19:16

@ofwarren

There is virtually no mention of children or young people in the NEJM paper and no discussion of them. They just mention that of the patients studied, less than 1% (about 10 patients) were under 15yo. Median age was 47, but they don't mention the range or any outliers, as far as I could see (I just scanned it tho, as I'm cooking). Patients with severe disease were on average 7 years older than those with less severe. I didn't look at the tables, tho.

CalmYoBadSelf · 03/03/2020 19:18

I'm wondering exactly what you expected the government to do? I suspect that if they close things down too soon they will just end up with people moaning and ignoring their guidance so they think better to wait until isolating is clearly essential even to the numpties
They do have to think about the economy too as the consequences of that tanking could add to the misery for everyone
I think we have to trust that there are people working very hard planning behind the scenes for the good of all

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 19:20

Thanks RedLentil
I can't get my head round medical papers and knew there was a chance it was bollocks.

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