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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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bellinisurge · 02/03/2020 06:15

Thank you for the new thread

NewYearNewTwatName · 02/03/2020 06:18

thank you for thread notjust and ofWarren for the updates.

MrsTidyHouse · 02/03/2020 06:21

MrsTidyHouse Mon 02-Mar-20 06:13:45
On radio - over 60s advised to stay away from crowds. I was in a busy supermarket yesterday and a crowded hospital clinic last week. From now on I can stay in house and garden, and have my own car. So can avoid public transport. We have food, and my appt went well.

DGC live with me. One doesn’t mind washing when reminded, the other has SN and hygiene is poor, very resistant to any suggestion. I can keep them off school till we figure out what to do. I’m the only one awake, and don’t know how to deal with this. Most winters I get a heavy cold around this time of year, and it often goes into my chest.

Very frightened.

wheresmymojo · 02/03/2020 06:29

Thanks so much for starting the new thread NotJustTheFuckingFlu Gin

I shall check in now and then but have over a 3 hour commute every day to and from a course so suspect I won't be spending much time on MN this week!

FuckThisWind · 02/03/2020 07:13

Thanks @ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu

I'm reluctantly getting up and ready for work / school run after catching up with thread / news. What today will bring, who knows. I've made up my mind that I'm going to wear hospital gloves on the checkout today. I have massive box full.

Hope you all stay safe and well everyone.

poshme · 02/03/2020 07:16

Pondering buying a yoghurt maker - I'd use UHT milk.
Does anyone have one they'd recommend?
DH likes yoghurt every morning & I think it's an easy way to get calcium in the kids if there's no milk.

Effieray · 02/03/2020 07:18

I'm wondering if it is worth being careful now about buying loose unpackaged food? @swallowsflysouth mentioned this a couple of threads back.

I'm only going to order online/ buy pre-bagged fruit, vegetables, bread etc.Avoiding buffets and salad bars. Hopefully, there will be less chance of people handling them/ sneezing on them etc.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 02/03/2020 07:19

Like the idea of a yoghurt maker!

Lumene · 02/03/2020 07:23

poshme you can make yoghurt in an instant pot

BlackeyedSusan · 02/03/2020 07:24

You can soak loose veg in Milton iirc. Definitely can wash in washing up liquid.

Effieray · 02/03/2020 07:25

@mrstidyhouse

It is frightening. Sending you love. Thanks We are all here to support one another.

CrapTVAddict · 02/03/2020 07:31

Can anyone recommend things for a autistic teen to do other than Lego, Xbox if lockdown does happen?
Can anyone recommend a model making kit that isn't ridiculously hard to build or any different ideas to keep teens entertained.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 07:34

Morning everyone. Let's see what today brings.
Anyone want to take a guess on how many UK cases we will get today?
I'm guessing 16 more, including one in my county which is Lancashire.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 07:37

How old is your autistic teen and do they have a special interest crap?
Mine is 17 and luckily entertains himself constantly. He loves music and Minecraft.

poshme · 02/03/2020 07:41

I don't have an instant pot. Should I? Is that better than a yoghurt maker? I have a slow cooker.

HasaDigaEebowai · 02/03/2020 07:41

Can anyone recommend things for a autistic teen to do other than Lego, Xbox if lockdown does happen?

Would he like stop motion movies? Its a good detail activity and combines lego with tech. Mine teens are not autistic but love making stop motion movies with their lego figures and the lego movie maker app.

Other option (costly but a good investment) is the lego robotics set. Its called lego mindstorms

MoonlightMistletoe · 02/03/2020 07:42

Healthcare worker at cancer hospital and teacher among 13 UK cases, London boys catholic school closed.

HasaDigaEebowai · 02/03/2020 07:43

You can make yoghurt with an easiyo. You can get one here for £13 if you don't mind pink.
www.easiyonline.co.uk/special-offers

You don't need to use their powders but they are a great prepping item.

HasaDigaEebowai · 02/03/2020 07:44

In fact the starter kit which includes some sachets is under a tenner

FuckThisWind · 02/03/2020 07:47

We have an easiyo. It's fab!

AlohaMolly · 02/03/2020 07:52

I keep trying to talk to DP about it sensibly and he refuses to listen. He sent me this last night and it’s really irritating me. What do the rest of you say when people refuse to listen?

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FourTeaFallOut · 02/03/2020 07:53

Can I just say a big thank you to the posters who mentioned having food that kids can open easily. My entire stock cupboard was full of stuff with a view to preparing for weeks with the presumption an adult would be cooking from scratch.

But I've got stuff coming now so the kids can put food together easily in case DH and I end up poorly at the same time.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 07:58

Aloha that got shared on our local Facebook page last night too. Infuriating.

ofwarren · 02/03/2020 08:01

What people don't seem to understand is that this is the START of the pandemic. If the virus follows the same trajectory in all the other countries with cases, like it did in wuhan, then the death toll is absolutely massive.
And why would it NOT follow the same trajectory? Most countries will never use the containment measures that china did.
It's a ticking time bomb.

Funkycats · 02/03/2020 08:01

Aloha I'd concentrate on the practical side of things like the potential of being told to self isolate. Or simply that after reading up a bit on prepping, that you've realised that there are loads of reasons to keep a stock in.
Those things irritate me too so I feel your pain, but if you can get him on board with having provisions and persuading him to wash his hands etc you've made a good start.
I feel certain that if things do move forward significantly, he'll come to his own conclusions about it.