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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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AmelieTaylor · 03/03/2020 16:07

Ironically could have ordered the Purell but it said >6o%

NewYearNewTwatName · 03/03/2020 16:10

OfWarren Another thank you again Flowers

RhubarbTea · 03/03/2020 16:10

Now he's talking about the problems with sourcing PPE and shortages.
They estimate the world will need 89 million masks per month...!
They need to increase supplies of PPE by 40%.

NatoPMT · 03/03/2020 16:10

I watched 5 mins. I’m sure he was saying it’s not transmitting without symptoms like flu can? Or did I misheard that as I thought that was one of the main containment challenges?

Thanks did more kind thoughts ❤️

Blueberryham · 03/03/2020 16:12

Such a lot of face masks, must not be great from environmental point of view

IveGotBillsTheyreMultiplying · 03/03/2020 16:15

He said that many apparently asymptomatic cases in fact developed symptoms after 2 days.

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 16:16

WHO on the falling number of cases in China: "We questioned these numbers while we were in China, we scrutinized this data, and we believe that this decline is real."

WorryAboutCovid · 03/03/2020 16:17

Just to update, the school trip abroad has been canceled. Feel very relieved.

FourTeaFallOut · 03/03/2020 16:17

I think from an environmental point of view, the increase in production in ppe will be more than made up for in the reduction of clothing production as the demand for leisure shopping hits the skids.

RhubarbTea · 03/03/2020 16:17

They are taking questions, someone in Brazil asked why they don't declare a pandemic to save lives. They are saying that by focusing on containment countries are helping people and that even if 'the pandemic word was used', containment should and would continue. But that we must all be ready for sustained community transmission. Also by slowing things down we are allowing health systems to be ready even if only delaying by 4-6 weeks.

ifonly4 · 03/03/2020 16:18

AmelieTaylor surgical spirit has a very high alcohol content. I know Boots, Savers and pharmacies usually sell it. If you can get some, top up the hand gel bottle with it, so it ups the alcohol content.

MoonlightMistletoe · 03/03/2020 16:22

Thank you Rhubarb greatly appreciate the update.

middleager · 03/03/2020 16:23

Can you top it up with actual alcohol, such as vodka, if you can't get surgical spirit?

WitchDoc · 03/03/2020 16:24

They said
Globally, about 3.4% of reported cases have died.
Am I right in thinking that that percentage will lower as the virus becomes more widespread & that it is higher than the 1% rate quoted by the government because a large amount of the 3.4% is in China?... if you understand what I mean?!

MoonlightMistletoe · 03/03/2020 16:24

The Canary Islands Health Authority has confirmed a British national has tested positive for COVID-19 in Tenerife

Sky news

Blueberryham · 03/03/2020 16:24

Vodka is only 40% so not sure that would help

WitchDoc · 03/03/2020 16:25

Because if it's 3.4% of the 80% that are expected to catch it in this country then... woah

Puppycorn · 03/03/2020 16:25

@Legoandloldolls lol with the size of pizza :) I am now trying to save the large kitchen rolls from my 5 yr old dd who is eyeing them to make a fort. She is amused to see that I can’t hide it away from her anywhere 😀

middleager · 03/03/2020 16:28

Bugger. Is there any alcohol strong enough?

ofwarren several threads ago I was one of the overwhelming majority who expressed gratitude for your consistently calm and informative posts.
Your posts are so incredibly useful, thank you. Flowers

tryingtoprep · 03/03/2020 16:29

You can get 70% vodka but it's not cheap. Surgical spirit costs less (for now). Or rubbing alcohol.

AmelieTaylor · 03/03/2020 16:29

Thanks @ifonly4

I did consider that and at a push could do that for myself, but I don’t want to be buying it for friends then telling them they need to do that because it’s not good enough in it’s own 😖

And from a technical POV I’d like to know why liberal use of 50% woukdnt be good enough? Or rather that makes 70% the magic number. I mean, I get 1% would be pretty rubbish and 100% pretty good, but beteeen 50 &60 ?!

YoursTunbridgeWells · 03/03/2020 16:30

@AmelieTaylor My gompels santizer arrived today. It says 70% on the bottle so if it's not then that's false advertising. I have some 91% surgical spirit so will top mine up with that.

IfYouCanKeepYourHead1234 · 03/03/2020 16:35

For anyone trying to track down hand gel, this seems to be currently in stock www.boots.com/carex-sensitive-hand-gel-50ml-10261540p

RhubarbTea · 03/03/2020 16:36

They have been asked by the Telegraph about possible drug shortages, for example India preventing the export of certain drug ingredients. They said they are concerned about a ripple effect of shortages although it's not as severe as the shortages of PPE.

RhubarbTea · 03/03/2020 16:37

Damn I tried to add to basket IfYou but it said out of stock.