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Prepping For A Pandemic ....9

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ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 01/03/2020 23:57

wheresmojo asked at the end of thread eight if other posters could keep an eye on threads filling up and start new ones if possible as she’s busy this week and may not have the time, saw thread 8 getting full so thought would start number 9 before going to bed. Thank you to ofwarren for the live updates too. I’ve copied and pasted the info that wheresmymojo has included in every thread, hopefully formatting doesn’t mess up.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar thanks Flowers

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

If you bulk buy hand gel with a high alcohol content make sure it is stored somewhere safe other than the one you’re using. It is flammable!

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ofwarren · 03/03/2020 19:20

Spain reports first death from coronavirus in Valencia

WitchDoc · 03/03/2020 19:22

NHS England declares coronavirus a level 4 incident, the highest level of emergency - Sky News

Silly Billy's trying to whip up hysteria. Our supreme leader Boris says it's fine to shake hands & wish the bad germs away by singing 'happy birthday'. All will be well. Nothing to see here.

TheElementsOfMedical · 03/03/2020 19:22

Lego All viruses have a capsid "shell" of protein surrounding their genetic material. Some viruses then also have a lipid envelope surrounding that.

So as NATO says, you can disrupt the lipid envelope with detergent-like molecules (e.g. soap) or using organic solvents (e.g. alcohol).

Good old-fashioned hand washing with soap and water is IMO better because you're actually flushing the dirt, and with it the virus particles, away. But alcohol hand gel is obviously better than nothing, if you can't access hand washing facilities immediately.

WitchDoc · 03/03/2020 19:23

wish the bad germs away by singing 'happy birthday

You have to sing it twice though for the magic to really work

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 19:24

#FLORIDA- 3rd case of #Coronavirus

MaternityNurse007 · 03/03/2020 19:26

Hi, all of my big local shops are out of antibac gel and soaps are nearly out too. Done a bit of research and there is not many studies yet about corona but vinegar and bleach is effective against the flu virus so my best bet is to get those and use it for cleaning, vinegar can be also used for washing clothes and more gentle on hands too. Just a thought.

sideorderofchips · 03/03/2020 19:26

Evening all

Got my freezer prepped, cupboards are looking better. Whilst we have no cases here I am carrying on as normal and judt buying a little extra when I go shopping. I know when we do get cases over here it will all go to shit.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 03/03/2020 19:27

I read on here earlier that someone had made home made weapons to defend themselves. I didn’t rise to the bait.

I’m going to now. Is this common?am I missing something

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 19:28

Weapons like what yours?
I doubt it will come to that.
Just follow the preppers code and don't tell people you have a stash.

MinesaPinotPlease · 03/03/2020 19:28

If I was Carrie I would be furious with Boris with his hand shaking claims.

I know it is said pregnant woman have the same risk as everyone but I would be very pis$ed off if my brand new fiancé took such a risk with my health.

Can one of the original OPs please start the next thread? We are on the last page of this one.

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 19:29

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20Q2HZ?__twitter_impression=true
Italy is looking a creating another red zone

NatoPMT · 03/03/2020 19:29

@Wiifitmama

It was posted earlier today that zinc lozenges reduce Coronavirus and other virus’s ability to multiply (in case you didn’t see it)

I had a sore throat this morning and picked up the attached Pic lozenges and I’ve had 2 lots - both times the sore throat has gone - I haven’t chewed them but kept them in my mouth as long as possible

You can only have 4 a day fit short periods of time and someone else posted that zinc can make you ill so it’s really important to follow the instructions

Prepping For A Pandemic ....9
FelicityFebruary · 03/03/2020 19:30

I took it as a joke Yours.

ofwarren · 03/03/2020 19:30

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20Q2HZ?__twitter_impression=true
Italy is looking a creating another red zone

WitchDoc · 03/03/2020 19:32

Thank you @MaternityNurse007 I wondered myself yesterday when there wasn't any disinfectant left on my online shop so grabbed some bleach any way.
I wouldn't imagine much survives bleach

sideorderofchips · 03/03/2020 19:33

Thank you @ofwarren for all your updates.

I share these with my collegue when we are at work too

ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu · 03/03/2020 19:34

Thread 10

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/preppers/3838644-Prepping-For-Pandemic-10

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sideorderofchips · 03/03/2020 19:34

Sorry to be boring again. Be careful with stuff like bleach not to mix with anything. Usually bleach has hydrochloric acid in it which if it reacts can create chlorine gas

I know it's common knowledge but just to remind :)

MinesaPinotPlease · 03/03/2020 19:38

@ItsNotJustTheFuckingFlu

Cheers Grin

WitchDoc · 03/03/2020 19:38

@MinesaPinotPlease
Yes, as a 1st time expectant mum I would be going out of mind rn (even though no evidence to suggest she should)

The Queen on the other hand has listened to medical advice & has taken to wearing gloves if she must handshake

Legoandloldolls · 03/03/2020 19:40

calmyobadself that's more or less the gist of Boris's announcement today. Its going g to be ongoing and we need to pace the response over around a three month period

Wiifitmama · 03/03/2020 19:41

Thanks NatoPMT! Just ordered some.

permanentlyfrazzled1 · 03/03/2020 19:59

A friend with a friend in Singapore, said that pretty much from the off, they split all companies in half and had half going in to work whilst the other half worked from home: no meetings, no sharing phones etc then the two groups swap over. She’s going to find out how they’ve dealt with schools and working parents, but I don’t get why the UK can’t come up with a similar solution.

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