What will labour do re: trans

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I've seen some really scary stuff with Keir starmer not knowing what a woman is and an article saying they class not "affirming" someone's gender identity as conversation therapy.

This topic is extremely important (if not the most) to me right now and I'm wondering if anyone knows what they plan to do? I also saw something about them disregarding much of what was in the Cass report.

I was heading off a frequent question from a pp who thinks politicians need to make a list of single sex spaces to police them properly if we don't have a blanket ban on trans people in any form of opposite sex settings, including social groups like the WI.

It is very boring.

That poster did "own" their choice.

It's how democracy works.
We all get to vote, we vote who we like or the best of a terrible bunch. Its allegedly secret anyway. They could be lying or telling the truth,you'll not get to know either way.

And here you are denigrating others choice of who to vote for.

Your telling off the wrong people, go tell the parties running that they are supposed to win our vote with policies that we like and can vote for.

It's hardly the peoples fault that no party is good enough to choose to vote for.

I don't find women's rights 'boring'.

You mean like charging women more to use the NHS?

What do you mean?

Reform UK puts issues and arguments around gender on the first page of its “contract" of policy proposals. It talks about “divisive 'woke' ideology”, claiming it has captured public institutions.

Within the first 100 days of government, it pledges to ban what it calls “transgender ideology” in primary and secondary schools. It says this would mean no gender questioning, social transitioning or pronoun swapping in schools, and that parents would be informed about children’s life decisions.

Reform UK also promises to replace the Equality Act and says it would scrap diversity, equality and inclusion rules.

WTAF does this mean for women's rights? Nevermind the rights of all vulnerable people in the UK?

Can someone explain to me why they would vote for this if they support women's rights.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqll1edxgw4o

Come on. Anyone who says their number 1 issue is women and girls but in the next breath says they are voting Reform needs, at the barest minimum, a reality check.

@CassieMaddox Which of those rights only apply to nice transexuals?

I think it becomes ‘boring’ when those who want men in women’s spaces can’t answer questions.

Who knows at this point. But deflection has been going on for an age.

It’s all a bit never ask for clarification

Why would women say ok to that? Because some men prefer it?

Crazy

They have made the best choice for them out of all the bad choices.

Hows about you turn your ire to the parties that could have our votes if they just thought about it.

What choices? How are Reform going to further the rights of women or even retain them?

It looks like they're planning to get the gender ideology out of schools, which is a good thing but how are they going to help women?

How is labour going to further the rights of women?

FWIW I don't necessarily want more rights, just the single sex spaces not safe spaces either. Single sex will do.

I also think transing children is and always was a terrible idea, that should be a given with all of us and banned immediately.

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I don't know, I didnt vote for them.

I don't accept that transwomen are men in women's spaces so we start from a false dichotomy.

I'll answer questions but on the whole the Gender Critical Feminist lobby are as off beam as the worst of so called transactivist lobby so it's unlikely my answers will satisfy.

To be clear my use of 'so called' there reflects accustations that I am a 'transactivist'. I'm not but I've been around enough and seen enough to believe there's way to much alarmism.

Oh that nutter. I thought you meant it was in their manifesto.

Can you bloom15 explain more about women paying more for the NHS?

I was under the impression we all paid via taxes to fund the NHS. How are women going to pay more?

So what are trans women then?

And its
Trans women not transwomen. The space between the words is transphobic or something.

No I don't think any of those are more important.

It most certainly is not a niche issue either.

A succession of Labour MPs spent a Friday in Parliament filibustering, in some cases for over half an hour, about ferrets to stop Liz Truss's EqA amendment, that would have clarified the single-sex exemptions as referring to sex and enforced fairness in sport, from being debated.

To claim that Labour have had no power and no influence concerning single-sex exemptions is disingenuous.

Are you seriously suggesting that anyone born with a penis should be in a female changing room?

If they we're born with it but have had surgery?

You mean, like this transwoman with breasts? Frankly, he's an nasty, abusive, misogynistic piece of work. As for the breasts, he did that to himself and if it means he is uncomfortable in men's spaces, well tough shit. I have no sympathy for him.

Nope. How do I, a rape victim, know that he has had his built-in rape weapon removed? I can't know. But I can hear his voice, smell him, and see his face, so I know he was born with one.