What will labour do re: trans

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I've seen some really scary stuff with Keir starmer not knowing what a woman is and an article saying they class not "affirming" someone's gender identity as conversation therapy.

This topic is extremely important (if not the most) to me right now and I'm wondering if anyone knows what they plan to do? I also saw something about them disregarding much of what was in the Cass report.

Self ID in time I expect. Streeting sounds more sensible these days but the rest of them including Rayner and Lammy are drunk on koolaid and even Streeting thinks implementing the Cass report is compatible with a trans inclusive conversion ban eg affirmation only. It’s not.

What is it about transwomen that bothers you?

I guess the fact that they're, you know, men.

Guessing that it’s because it’s a deeply misogynistic ideology that harms women’s rights and hurts children confused by increasingly rigid gender stereotypes.

I'm not bothered about transwomen. I'm more concerned about protecting women and girls. Safeguarding women and girl's dignity and privacy. Protecting vulnerable women in places like prison and refuges/rape groups. Keeping accurate statistics on gender based violence. Allowing women to speak out and organise without being threatened with rape or death. Stop women being deplatformed and censored. Protecting women's sports and sponsorship.

Transwomen are vulnerable and deserve protection and rights, just not at the expense of women and girls.

Really? How many times do we have to explain that this is not about trans. It’s about women’s rights, protections and dignities.

Men as a sex class are responsible for the majority of violent and sexual crime. You allow self-identified ‘transwomen’ into women’s and girls’ safe spaces including, let’s not forget, places where women and children are distinctly vulnerable, and yes, you’ll get the nice transwomen ‘who just want to live in peace’ but hey, surprise surprise, you’ll also open the flood gates to every male perv and deviant who suddenly ‘identifies’ as a woman purely to hurt, abuse and get sexual titillation.

You heard about the woman who was raped on a single sex NHS ward, and was told she was lying because there was ‘no male on the ward’? Yeah. Get used to shit like that with self ID when Labour get in. Women’s rights and protections gone. Children sent on a path to sterilisation and disfigurement. Women gaslighted, unable to assemble or have political agency and told they’re transphobic dinosaurs who ‘hoard rights’ to themselves. It’s like the Taliban where only male voices and male quality of life matters.

Self ID is ridiculous. The only way to protect women is to remove the legal fiction of gender identity and segregate safe spaces by biological sex.

I don't trust Labour on this issue, not in the slightest. Keir Starmer seems weak and changes his mind, and Labour have a terrible record of ostracising members and even MPs who are gender-critical.

This is one of the many threads discussing Labour's position.

@Screamingabdabz you're absolutely right.

Look what happened in Australia. That is what will happen I reckon.

The same as the Tories have already done?

I'm hoping they’re going to focus on inflation, GDP, housing, healthcare, education, getting a better relationship with the EU, policing. You know, things that affect everyone (apart from you in your ivory tower apparently).

KS recently said during an interview on lbc that a gender recognition certificate will not give men who “identify” as women access to single sex spaces. This is the most hopeful thing I have heard. I think following Cass there will also be further changes to protect vulnerable young people too and allow them time and resources to consider whether “transitioning” is actually right for them.
There are numerous threads in the feminism board which you might find helpful as many posters with knowledge and up to date information on the situation there.

Well, everything pp said.

Also
The fact that women are expected to give up their rights to men.
The fact that they seem to be fixated on indoctrinating children.
The fact that they won't bloody shut up.
The fact that they're always trying to 'get' people and lose them their jobs etc for not confirming.
The fact that the whole thing is entirely hypocritical.
The fact that they're trying to rename women as ciswomen.
The fact they're gaslighting everyone.
The fact they are trying to force people to lie and accept things which are medically impossible.
The fact they're ruining the minds, bodies and lives of children.

From their manifesto:

“Labour will finally deliver a full trans inclusive ban on conversion practices”

“Simplify and reform the intrusive outdated gender recognition law to a new process. We will remove indignities for trans people who deserve recognition and acceptance, whilst retaining the need for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria from a specialist doctor”“

Labour is proud of our equality act and the rights and protections it afford women, we will continue to support the implementation of its single sex exceptions”

“We will work to implement the expert recommendations of the cass review to ensure young people presenting to the nhs with gender dysphoria are receiving appropriate and high quality care”

It’s an important issue but it’s not the only issue. It’s a divisive issue and one that gets a lot of consideration on this forum and gets people angry. It’s just the kind of issue that can be used to manipulate us into strong reactions and hasty decisions. Just the kind of issue that a Russian bot would use to create division and fuel instability. I get the people feel strongly about and rightly so. But I think it’s a drop in the ocean, compared to the massive issues we face.

For me, I am much more concerned about climate change, WWIII starting, cost of living, child poverty, crumbling services, inequality, affordable housing, economy, male violence, employment, AI and the impact on us.

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I believe it is the most important issue of our time second only to prioritising the climate crisis. There's simply no way someone who was born male and has a penis should be sleeping in my daughter's tent at girl guides camp because he identifies as a girl. It is about the erosion of women's rights that we are seeing across the globe.

“For me, I am much more concerned about climate change, WWIII starting, cost of living, child poverty, crumbling services, inequality, affordable housing, economy, male violence, employment, AI and the impact on us.”

And who suffer the most in that list? Girls? Women?

Wah wah. Klaxon.

Under self-ID females won’t exist. If anyone with meat and two veg can lawfully claim to be one we won’t even be able to talk meaningfully about ‘women’s rights’ or the disadvantages we face as a sex class.

I can’t vote Labour due to their views on trans issues.

Well, World War III and climate change will kill all people regardless of age and sex. The poorest and people with brown skin will be worst effected across the globe.

I get the issue. I get it’s important but we have to think more widely than single issues. No party has the answer to this thorny issue and if they say they do they are lying.

Which party has this very thorny and complex issue sorted then?

So who are you voting for because they have this nailed down ?

Can't be the Tories. They were captured by Stonewall and Mermaids and allowed this utter shite into schools. Under their watch, Stonewall drove trans ideology into public services and businesses. Not forgetting the women sacked and visited by the police for expressing an opinion or the kids fed hormones.

Fuck knows.

I would vote SDP, but they're not standing in my constituency.

Fuck knows

Oh, ok @Velicirapitor who else have you ruled out based on this issue ?