What will labour do re: trans

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I've seen some really scary stuff with Keir starmer not knowing what a woman is and an article saying they class not "affirming" someone's gender identity as conversation therapy.

This topic is extremely important (if not the most) to me right now and I'm wondering if anyone knows what they plan to do? I also saw something about them disregarding much of what was in the Cass report.

So given that Labour haven’t got this right in your view and you haven’t found a party that has, why aren’t you voting on the basis of other issues? Do Labour tick other boxes for you? Or would that be another party? You don’t have to answer me but I am curious about how people are deciding.

I don’t feel happy with any of them, although the Green Party seem to tick most of my boxes but we don’t have a credible candidate locally so I’ll vote Labour - my main goal so to oust the Tories. They have done a terrible job and shown themselves to be lying, corrupt, self serving and incompetent. My second concern is climate change. Third is inequality and poverty as I work with children and see the disadvantages first hand. So whilst the gender debate and other issues matter to me I’ve gone with the party that fits my priorities closest, knowing I won’t get exactly what I want.

We got our postal vote through today. I spoke to my husband about this and we've both just voted Reform because they seem the only party who gave a sensible opinion about this area.

I usually vote Labour so this is a massive change for us.

I got my postal vote through today as well. I'm not enamoured by any of them, so I offered it to my 16 yo relative, she said no.

I'm tempted to write None of the above.

The current Tory policy is pretty good i think. It's a subtle change to the equality act that should tip the balance of competing rights back in favour of women's rights to have single sex spaces (as opposed to the rights of TW to identify into them).

If Labour "borrowed" this policy I'd be able to vote for them again.

As it stands, while Labour have begun to make positive noises about single sex spaces, I think the small print is that they're not talking about the spaces people use day to day, rather the important but rarer settings like refuges and prisons.

I hope your Reform candidate isn't this person then. www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/reform-uk-candidate-ian-gribbin-bexhill-battle-hitler-nazis-nigel-farage-b1163364.html

You are completely entitled to choose what is the most important issue to you. This one happens to be for me.

I cannot class anything as more important than the drugging, mutilation, sterilisation and complete mental undoing of children.

So you voted for someone who supports a man on trial for rape and human trafficking that thinks women should be the possession of men and kept at home? That’ll fix women’s rights.

Hasn’t the protocol re children changed already? It’s medics that prescribe drugs and it shouldn’t be subject to Government control. It’s the BMA and pharmaceutical industry you need to tackle, surely?

Yes it’s your vote, we each get one and can decide

I agree it’s important btw

I'm not entirely sure which is why I asked, they don't seem to be able to hold down one position or give strong answers.

I understand people are talking about who to vote for but we all pretty much know labour has won which is why I wanted to know what they intend to do on this issue.

Labour is proud of our equality act and the rights and protections it afford women, we will continue to support the implementation of its single sex exceptions

Which all sounds positive until you realise that Labour have form for redefining sex to mean anyone who identifies as whatever they want, which is bullshit, puts women and children in harms way, and is not what the majority wants.

Politics needs dismantling and rebuilding. There is no one to vote for who can offer any long term solutions to anything, and anyone thinking Labour can deliver more than a temporary reprieve is very naive.

Labour stance on sex and gender means they will never get my vote. Yes there are other issues but given KS’s weak leadership and lack of opposition over the last few years I have serious doubts that he is capable of running a country. I suppose we’ll see soon enough.

Starmer's disgusting treatment of Rosie Duffield, refusing to even mention her name but instead choosing to say he agrees with Blair, makes me very frightened for women's and girls' rights under him. He was so publicly offensive that it feels like he's trolling women.

Yes, this. It was a pivotal moment for me. What a weak vacillating man he is. We'll see his true colours when he's PM. I fear for women under the new regime.

I saw that, it's chilling.

I think the treatment protocols for those children who present with gender dysmorphia have changed already but it’s not my area of expertise. I think Labour have suggested that changing gender ID will need a diagnosis rather than self ID but don’t quote me in that. I read it on a forum rather than directly and I have perimenopause brain!

But I thought they didn’t promote self ID but promote the requirement of a diagnosis? But I may have misremembered that.

I think he's anything but weak. Obviously others have their opinion and I have mine.

JKR has out this issue in the headlines today op

Which is great

What does it say in Reform's manifesto on this? I know they said they want to get 'woke' out of schools but I've seen nothing on single sex spaces, women's sports etc I thought they wanted to get rid off the equality act that protects women. They also want to get rid off other human rights.

Reform candidates have espoused misogynistic views as well as those of the far right. Farage supports Trump, who we all know hates women, and gives credence to Andrew Tate. Tate is a renowned woman hater, currently being investigated for human trafficking and rape.

However you voted for them solely because of women's rights so there's something I'm obviously missing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UuMIVbLxmoY

I think Kier’s response here is fairly clear on the biology of sex and it sounds as though he wants a healthy dialogue about the more nuanced and grey areas. I’m sick of the nastiness and aggression on both sides. I can see it from both sides. The things are very important to me are protecting women only spaces and categories which he is very clear about here.

He’s not got it perfectly right and he doesn’t apologise to Rosie Duffield, but having read her Wikipedia page, she’s not always covered herself glory. Great she’s sticking up for women’s rights but she has said some things I find too much. It shouldn’t be a war. We are all people and we have much bigger enemies than each other.

But all this trans nonsense has come in under the Tories. They haven't promised any changes at all on this issue. Has it been addressed in their manifesto?

I've been waiting now over two years for a needed operation, I'm in pain constantly and yet if I ever get this operation I want a single sex or woman only ward to recover on.

Labour have stated they will not change anything torys have in place. Theres no extra resources going to housing, healthcare, education, getting a better relationship with the EU, policing.

So knowing all of that, I'd prefer labour to not get in,

Signing off from my ivory tower.

No Labour created the GRA which is the cause

Plus recent EqA amendment which Labour are not doing

So you're blaming a government who haven't been in power for 14 years? The Tories allowed this harmful gender woo into schools and public services. All this erosion of women's rights has happened since they've been in power. What does it say in their manifesto?

My point was that they have previously seemed to clarify the sex/gender issue whilst using different definitions to weasel a self id agenda through.
I don’t trust them to not do that again.