What will labour do re: trans

[Singersong]

I've seen some really scary stuff with Keir starmer not knowing what a woman is and an article saying they class not "affirming" someone's gender identity as conversation therapy.

This topic is extremely important (if not the most) to me right now and I'm wondering if anyone knows what they plan to do? I also saw something about them disregarding much of what was in the Cass report.

The removal of their penis doesn't make them any less male.

Or Kayla Lemieux? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/02/teacher-placed-leave-parents-criticise-size-z-prosthetic-breasts/

I think it's disingenuous to blame a party who weren't in government for the behaviour of the government in power. To suggest that the infiltration of trans ideology is the sole fault of Labour or that they in some way played a major part in it, is an absolute joke.

We're in this mess because the Tories did nothing to stop groups like Stonewall and Mermaids. We've got kids being taught that there are hundreds of genders in school under the Tories.

Don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining.

Castration doesn't make a man into a woman. It makes him a eunuch.

I don't for one second think that Labour will do anything useful about anything on your list.

Yeah, all that happened on the Tories' watch. It would have happened faster under Labour.

They won't do anything. Trans people aren't a big enough section of society to prioritise. Think of the absolute mountain of shit they need to clear up after the tories- it'll take years if not decades to sort, as if they'd have time to worry about pronouns.

You'd think 51%of the population are a large enough section of society to prioritise.

We are only ever about the women.
Men who think they are women can fight there own battles. Maybe they could get men who know they are men onside too.

And in the next term so 4 or 5 years, labour are not changing current spending plans. So that mountain of shit wont be cleared up any time soon,.

You're assuming all the 51% have the same priorities as you. They don't.

Well it must be a fair chunk of them, or there wouldnt be so many flying monkeys around .

They have stated clearly that changing gender will require a diagnosis.

@Noddedoffagain you are going to have to define what you mean by gender here - this makes no sense.

Why do you need a diagnosis to change gender? What are you changing exactly?

Do you mean sex? No one has ever change sex & no one ever will.

Are you seriously saying a transwoman who has been on hormones and has large breasts should be in a male changing room?

Yes of course I am. We have spaces divided by sex, not feelings.

Don't see why the size of implants a man chooses to put into his chest has anything to do with anything.

Hormones and silicone implants don't magically a man into a woman.

Anyone looking at actual evidence always comes up with the answer that where segregation is needed (prisons, sports etc) it is needed on the basis of sex not gender.

Any politician who says otherwise is lying/afraid of facts.

And if they don’t use evidence for this, how can we trust them to use evidence on other things?

Political decisions are hard. Easy to say ‘I will give more money to the NHS’ for example. Hard to choose how to spend it. If we end up with people who care more about ‘saying nice things’ than ‘making hard decisions with the right evidence’ then we end up in a mess.

As Boris Johnson and Liz Truss showed!

This is a red line for me as well. And it really shouldn’t be contentious! Labour have absolutely shot themselves in the foot over this by pandering to trans activists.

I'm still waiting for the answer to 'living as a woman'.

The diagnosis seems to be based on a man saying they feel like a woman. How can a man possibly know what it feels like to be a woman 🥴.

One thing I know is that no biological male will ever become a biological woman. They might have a piece of paper that cost them a fiver that states in law they are a woman but everyone knows this relates to a made up gender ideology.

I live as a woman. I make jam, arrange flowers, wear pearls, paint my nails, gossip, batter my eyelashes and wear bonnets.

Are you seriously saying a transwoman who has been on hormones and has large breasts should be in a male changing room?

Are you seriously saying an actual woman with breasts of any size should have to share a changing room with men?

You can't have it both ways. It's either ok from a safety/privacy/dignity point of view to share a changing room with men or it isn't.

'@Singersong · Today 14:35

No I don't think any of those are more important.

It most certainly is not a niche issue either.'

What a lot of nonsense.

Do you really think that the many, many people who have been hammered by the cost of living crisis, can't get a GP appointment or a decent roof over their heads or can't swim in the sea/rivers anymore because it is full of shit are thinking 'Never mind about my finances, housing or health, what really worries me is what trans people do with their lives '...

Of course not.

It is a niche issue: in the last census 0.5% of the population are trans and for the majority of people/voters someone being trans has zero impact on their life.

The issue isn't what trans people do with their lives as much as it is the impact that has on the rest of us.

When you can't trust single-sex spaces to actually be single-sex any more, it affects your whole life. Example: https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2022/05/05/brighton-rape-crisis-centre-sued-over-refusal-to-offer-female-only-groups/

I'll answer questions but on the whole the Gender Critical Feminist lobby are as off beam as the worst of so called transactivist lobby so it's unlikely my answers will satisfy.

Really?
Please share links to cases of women threatening trans women with death, with rape?
Share links of women sharing graphic porn videos on threads TW have started to discuss their uniquely trans stuff?
Show me cases where women have used the police to repeatedly harass and arrest TW?
Where have women loudly shut down meetings and put TW in danger, even assaulting them?
Show me cases of women sharing a TW’s private location on Twitter.

There is no middle ground, no human can change sex, and the very fact that gender can be fluid, can be changed, the fact that brand new genders can be made up to suit ever more pigeon holed personality traits, the rigid adherence to regressive stereotypes that’s harming non conforming children.

If your stance is that TWAW then of course no GC reply will satisfy you, that doesn’t mean you’re right though.

As I've said, this issue is the most important issue to me. You are free to prioritise whatever you wish.

If you think trans ideology is only affecting 0.5% of the population you are sorely mistaken. It has infiltrated every aspect of life

I'm really concerned that they will bring in self id and all the gains we've made will be lost . I've been a lifelong Labour voter but I CANNOT vote for them right now. Am actually really scared about Labour getting in, and it's heartbreaking to see how far from their principles Labour has gone. I genuinely feel like there's NO-ONE I can in all good conscience vote for...

@Appalonia I feel the same. What are we meant to do in this scenario?!

It says in their manifesto that they won't bring in self ID.

They've already shown themselves to be slippery fuckers though. What do they mean by "self ID"?

I'm at the stage where I'd need them to define every phrase they use before I could fully trust them. Look at the slight of mouth KS has been trying to pull off re "safe spaces".

I believe they mean you can't identify as a woman/man yourself and need to see a medical professional.

All politicians are slippery fuckers.