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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of ⅔ of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 28/10/2019 13:48

PMK. Thank you Grin

DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 13:50
Basilpots · 28/10/2019 13:50

Won’t there have to be a by election in Bercow’s seat too ?

That one could be interesting. Tory seat with apparent huge majority but obviously that is enhanced because none of the main parties have stood their for a while. Farage stood there and got 8k in votes. Only marginally remain but over 12600 people signed that Revoke petition which may mean Lib Dem’s fancy a crack at it.

Wait4nothing · 28/10/2019 13:51

Yay - Mann is my mp and certainly doesn’t do a good job representing me. I may be able to tactically vote labour now it’s not a vote for the hardest brexit!

DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 14:06

Since business and economics get discussed here a lot, I read this and thought of you.

Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch
BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 14:10

@RHTawney
Red had a nasty bug for a week or so.
Now she has a friend who's visiting, but she said she'll be on here later

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AutumnCrow · 28/10/2019 14:10

I'm in a swing seat so it's all to play for.

tava63 · 28/10/2019 14:10

Thanks @Basilpots

BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 14:11

Poster00 I don't know if that Confidence & Supply arrangment with the DUP still holds, after BJ dumped them in the Irish Sea

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MockersthefeMANist · 28/10/2019 14:13

How dare you compare BJ to weasels.

(fiesty and fearless)

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0009mvb/natural-world-20192020-weasels-feisty-and-fearless

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 28/10/2019 14:14

Operation yellow hammer has been rolled out on Kent. Hopefully that will piss off the Leave voters enough to either not vite, or vote for someone else.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 14:17

Poster00 I don't know if that Confidence & Supply arrangment with the DUP still holds, after BJ dumped them in the Irish Sea

Agreed BCF so that would make it 297 to 351, if we could find 1 thing all opposition agree in we could pretty much walk it through

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 14:19

Balance of Power
@BalancePowerUK
BREAKING NEWS

The House of Commons Standards Committee has recommended that Keith Vaz (LAB, Leicester East) be suspended from the service of the House of Commons for Six Months and a Recall Petition take place.

rogueantimatter · 28/10/2019 14:19

Long time lurker here although strictly speaking, I've posted on this thread once before, to say thank you for the excellent summaries, links and discussion. I travelled to London on an overnight coach from Jo Swinson's constituency to join the march in March with my red toothbrush. Couldn't go this month.

If I had a pound (or a €) for every time I've said , "What a mess" over the last 3 years....

Chukka says the SNP/LD bill would not be amendable.....

Am gutted not to be having a People's Vote.

DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 14:20

Operation yellow hammer has been rolled out on Kent

So 3 months too early then ?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 14:20

Andrew Adonis
@Andrew_Adonis
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Have you noted the pattern: it’s always the Labour leader the Lib Dems can never work with (Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband, now Jeremy Corbyn) but never the Tory leader? They even appear to be about to do a deal with Johnson, which I wrongly thought would be a Tory too far for them

DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 14:20

Who needs an election if we can pick MPs off one by one ?

646 to go ...

tobee · 28/10/2019 14:21

I just came across this from Sky News. Johnson named "ghastliest of the century"

news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-ghastliest-figure-of-the-century-say-children-and-parents-in-survey-11847625

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 28/10/2019 14:22

Operation yellow hammer has been rolled out on Kent

So 3 months too early then ?

Well I guess as until this morning; it was only 3 days early...

GlassOfPort · 28/10/2019 14:23

I have been away for a few days and still catching up with the news. So:

BJ will agree to call a general election only if MPs approve his deal? Confused

Can someone explain what happens if MP give him a GE and then vote down the WAB?

tobee · 28/10/2019 14:24

I had noticed Just. But then, when I use to be a teller for Labour at polling stations, the LibDems used to be the least friendly, collaborative, and once hissed a nasty comment to me. Shock

thecatfromjapan · 28/10/2019 14:25

Thank you BigChoc. 💐

(Loved the weasel 'preening his whiskers' - I think that will work it's way into my dreams. 😁)

All 💐 to Red, too.

And 🍫 to all others on the thread.

DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 14:27

Have you noted the pattern: it’s always the Labour leader the Lib Dems can never work with (Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband, now Jeremy Corbyn) but never the Tory leader?

It's almost as if the LibDems are really Tories ?

I know, who'd have thunk it ?

Oh, I did. Frequently.

BlackeyedGruesome · 28/10/2019 14:28

Pmk.

DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 14:30

I just came across this from Sky News. Johnson named "ghastliest of the century"

One of the things DW fondly recalls about my DM was her use of ghastly for unpleasant things. Apparenly it was quite a signature, and I have inherited it Grin. There's a trick to getting the "gh" sound so it's close to "ghaaaahh-stly"