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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of ⅔ of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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borntobequiet · 28/10/2019 12:41

Oops thanks BCF

NoWordForFluffy · 28/10/2019 12:44

PMK. Thank you.

Ellie56 · 28/10/2019 12:44

Has Mark Francois aka Pot Noodle pushed Bozo into that ditch yet? Grin

prettybird · 28/10/2019 12:51

She is still playing the long game - that was made very clear at their Conference. There was a numpty who wanted to insist that the party commit to a "Plan B" that involved a "unofficial Referendum" (and not using a Section 30 notice - and despite the issues in Catalonia that were already coming to a head Confused) - his motion was "overwhelmingly" defeated.

I think their thinking is along the lines that we described at the end of the last thread: that we (the UK - not just Scotland) really are running out of options Sad There is not enough time for a PV during this extension and the only way to stop the WA being agreed this side of a GE (because we will end up with one sooner rather than later) is by the earlier date.

As I said in that post, it is a strategy that is fraught with risk - but at the moment, all possible "next steps" are fraught with risk Sad

TheMustressMhor · 28/10/2019 12:52

Buster wishes me to PMK for him.

LarkDescending · 28/10/2019 12:53

First the threat of a GE cancelling nativity plays - now the BBC is warning of a Brexit-related shortage of pigs in blankets - Christmas is doomed!

TheMustressMhor · 28/10/2019 12:56

At the moment, all possible "next steps" are fraught with risk

Ain't that the truth.

prettybird · 28/10/2019 12:58

Fortunately I make and glaze my own ham Grin - make a special trip down to the Ayrshire coast (and visit a friend at the same time) to a butcher that has its own farm to get a good leg of Ayrshire bacon Grin

dontcallmelen · 28/10/2019 13:00

PMK thank you as always, SoS meant to say previously well done to your dgd hope she gets the university she wants🤞🏻
As always nothing to add, just very weary & wishing some sort of comprises could be found.

Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch
RHTawneyonabus · 28/10/2019 13:01

Thanks for the thread big chic. sorry I’ve missed it But I hope Red is okay?

NoWordForFluffy · 28/10/2019 13:04

DS will be devastated if there's no pigs! Hopefully the giant Aldi ones won't be affected as they're huge!

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 13:05

We are all veggie so no worries there for us Smile I don't think I've ever had a pig in blanket . It wasn't something my parents did when I was a child.

QueenOfThorns · 28/10/2019 13:08

It doesn’t sound as though there will be a shortage of sausages or bacon, so I think I could just about manage to construct my own pigs in blankets! (Although mine come from the local butcher anyway, so I think I’ll be OK.) I have a gammon joint already stashed in the freezer as well.

OublietteBravo · 28/10/2019 13:10

PMK. It’s a public holiday here too. And a beautiful sunny day.

Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch
NoWordForFluffy · 28/10/2019 13:14

Yeah, I'll make some if necessary. I've ordered mine from Booths, but will adapt if required!

BoreOfWhabylon · 28/10/2019 13:16

pmk

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 13:20

PMK

TheMShip · 28/10/2019 13:22

Food for thought: "The housing crisis is at the heart of our national nervous breakdown". John Harris www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/28/housing-crisis-houses-brexit-vote

tava63 · 28/10/2019 13:31

Has anyone read - or can direct me to - good data on who doesn't vote?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 13:33

Michael Rosen
@MichaelRosenYes
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Dear Dominic
Can you give me another resounding phrase along the lines of the October 31 dying-in-the-ditch one? Obviously, we'd have to alter the date but what about the rest? Die in a gutter? Eat a Greggs sandwich? Anyway, get cracking on it.
Rigor mortis non via fossa
Boris

Basilpots · 28/10/2019 13:37

Has anyone read - or can direct me to - good data on who doesn't vote?

Most of the voting intention polls have data tables attached that includes data on non voters.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 13:39

Balance of Power
@BalancePowerUK
BREAKING

The constituency of Bassetlaw is now vacant.

John Mann (LAB, Bassetlaw) has resigned as Member of Parliament for the Bassetlaw constituency, to take up another role as a government advisor.

A by-election or General Election will determine the next MP.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 13:41

To go with my previous post

Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch
Rhubarbisevil · 28/10/2019 13:43

Head is spinning.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 13:43

Sir John Curtice: Do voters really want another general election?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50206341?ns_source=twitter&ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=news_central&ns_campaign=bbc_politics