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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of ⅔ of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 14:31
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PotterHead1985 · 28/10/2019 14:58

PMK. I'm lying on the couch dying so settling in to watch this afternoons proceedings.

No kitties keeping me company but I can offer 2 dogs.

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 15:03

Labour aren't ready for a GE - they'd be rinsed:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/27/turkeys-wont-vote-for-christmas-when-the-polls-are-telling-them-theyll-be-stuffed

turkeys don’t vote for Christmas, especially when the turkeys can read opinion polls suggesting that they will be stuffed.

Members of Labour’s parliamentary committee, senior MPs who act as sort of shop stewards for their colleagues,
were alarmed when they had a meeting last week with Jennie Formby, the party’s general secretary.

She was asked how many constituencies still hadn’t selected a candidate and which ones were on the key seat list.
I’m told that the general secretary couldn’t answer either of these election-critical questions. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Many of the senior officials responsible for Labour’s effort during the 2017 campaign have been purged from party headquarters or paid off.
I hear that some are now being sounded out about coming back, such are the fears that Labour is not in a fit state to fight a campaign.

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 15:04

"Dying", Potter ?
I hope you're feeling OK

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DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 15:06

Seen in a Belgian office by an old colleague ...

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 28/10/2019 15:07

I hear that some are now being sounded out about coming back, such are the fears that Labour is not in a fit state to fight a campaign.

Seen nothing on my end about that but sounds shite, lets be honest though Labour is still fighting an internal war thats going to take a few years tbh, Brexit has unleashed/brought out into the open a perfect storm of shit on our institutions that was meant to guard against this

ArseDarkly · 28/10/2019 15:08
Grin
derxa · 28/10/2019 15:15

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Miljah · 28/10/2019 15:18

TheMShip -regarding that Guardian article you posted about the lack of affordable housing being at the centre of Brexit.

Yes. Absolutely.

prettybird · 28/10/2019 15:19

Joseph Johnson in His Amazing Invisible Technicolor Clothes Dreamcoat, singing "Any Deal Will Do", accompanied by Smug Grin (with a guest appearance by American Guy Mark Francois Wink)

https://www.facebook.com/100001464392178/posts/2587153744676747?sfns=mo

MockersthefeMANist · 28/10/2019 15:23

Keith Vaz wanted to buy cocaine "for a friend."
(Are you Keith's friend? Has he got you your stash yet?)

prettybird · 28/10/2019 15:23

Found it via YouTube

ArseDarkly · 28/10/2019 15:37

Those people at Joe are so clever. Thanks prettybird Grin

TheElementsSong · 28/10/2019 15:38

Thread on AIBU about Brexit redundancies. Leavers: “It’s due to the uncertainty, not Brexit! If we’d Brexited [conveniently omitting which type of Brexit they mean] on 24 June 2016, we wouldhave those Sunlit Uplands and nobody would ever lose their jobs ever again!”

Real inspirational Taking Back Control stuff Hmm

DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 15:39

Keith Vaz wanted to buy cocaine "for a friend."

Michael Gove ?

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 15:40

A calming chilled out upside down borrowed cat.

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Basilpots · 28/10/2019 15:44

Right YouGov data sheets are in. Will do my best with numbers but I am on my phone on the hoof and frankly I need a bigger screen Wink

Firstly as published so all the usual suspects don’t knows/won’t vote/ won’t say taken out.
Con. 36 (36)
Lab. 23 (22)
Lib. 19 (18)
BXP. 11 (12)

^ This sample is 52% male.

So if we put back in the don’t knows/won’t vote/refused to say we get

Con. 26 (27)
Lab. 17 (16)
Lib. 14 (13)
BXP 9. (8)
OTH 6. (8)
D/K. 17. (17)
W/V. 9. (8)
REF. 2. (1)

The don’t knows are 67% female.

( ) is the previous weeks %.

Basilpots · 28/10/2019 15:50

Con in the first table should read 36 (37) so -1.

Cold fingers on a tiny screen. Apologies. Blush

prettybird · 28/10/2019 15:51

Chukka might say that their "Notwithstanding" Bill to overcome the FTPA with a simple majority won't be amendable - but that's up to the Speaker and it's not in Chukka's gift. Hmm

That's certainly what Ian Blackford said earlier today when he was asked if it was amendable Confused

It's also why BJ hasn't done a "notwithstanding the FTPA" bill himself before this - as we've discussed on these threads before. Confused

colouringinpro · 28/10/2019 15:52

pmk. brain has now exploded.

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Peachi82 · 28/10/2019 15:52

I already said on the last thread that I am glad we got the extension..my biggest fear is that it will never be over. If we Brexit we have years of negotiations to come and still people chanting that they don't want a deal and that it wasn't the right kind of Brexit. And if we revoke it will also never stop. That the next government will just trigger Article 50 again to get more votes, will always linger over us.
I am so sad what has become of this country.

GaspodeWonderCat · 28/10/2019 15:55

Thanks Basilpots. Your analysis of the numbers makes very interesting reading. Shame 'proper' journalists don't do the same ...

WhatwouldScoobyDoo · 28/10/2019 15:55

PMK

prettybird · 28/10/2019 15:56

I was explaining to my db last night about how all these headline scary polls take out the Don't Knows before calculating the percentages (often taking the numbers polled down to a non-statistically significant cohort).

He immediately got, before I'd even explained, that the DKs are predominant female - and usually more left-wing.

Why doesn't the MSM point this out more often, rather than blindly parroting (to mix metaphors Wink) the headline numbers? AngryConfused