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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of â…” of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 29/10/2019 18:57

@flouncyfanny he's probably only been alerted via the Fail and hasn't visited our fine threads.

prettybird · 29/10/2019 19:01

Re the article about Barnier telling the UK to ignore regulatory standards at its peril: on a more serious point, a lawyer friend of mine told me on Sunday morning that he'd been at a Scottish Law Society meeting on Friday where they were told that the telecoms companies have been told to ignore European regulations and look to align themselves with the US companiesShock

I said that's interesting: I must ask another friend of mine, who is a telecoms regulatory lawyer (former colleague of mine from when I worked in the telecoms industry).

A few hours later, while I was at the rugby club, with a busting youth team, who should have skipped the queue in front of me be at the bar beside me, but said friend whose ds played for the visiting team (from the other side of Scotland) Shock He reminded me that I'd always said he'd end up visiting "my" club Wink

So, I asked him about what my friend had told me just a few hours before . He answered, "It was me that asked the question" Shock Scotland is a small place Wink He went on to say that the major telecoms companies (BT, Vodafone, Virgin, Three...) have been told unequivocally to ignore EU regulations and align with the US. He says what's crazy about it is that the US companies (eg AT&T, Verizon) think that this is stupid and that the EU regulations are much better and the direction to go.....Confused

He also said that the UK ministers don't have a clue and have no response to questions about how to deal with data protection Angry

AutumnCrow · 29/10/2019 19:01

Bill Cash is not a well man

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 29/10/2019 19:03

@thecatfromjapan

I have signed up and shared tactical voting app

tobee · 29/10/2019 19:04

Although the Queen's Speech was talked of (by me included) as a bit of a chance of electioneering, am I alone in thinking it's largely been forgotten about?

I'm not sure how much of the proroguing court case has stuck in people's minds?

Or Jennifer Arcuri?

Maybe just all a general feeling of unreliable Johnson to those who think like that anyway.

tobee · 29/10/2019 19:08

I've signed up to Best for Britain even though I'm put off by having to include my phone number.

ArseDarkly · 29/10/2019 19:09

speaking of Arcuri - is it possible that the IOPC will come up with their decision during the election campaign?

NoWordForFluffy · 29/10/2019 19:10

Here's December at school. I'm glad we aren't a polling station (but imagine that most schools' calendars are very similar!).

Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch
Icantreachthepretzels · 29/10/2019 19:19

That's really not as packed as it looks fluffy There's very few 'whole school' activities - which means juggling and shuffling is much easier and affects far fewer numbers.

If the election is monday the Butterflies move their christmas play to the Friday and if the election is Thursday all the year 2 stuff gets moved to the Friday (I doubt the santa is hired in - it's probably the caretaker). No one else if affected. Job done - next problem Smile

The only real bugger is for any poor teacher who works in an polling station school who has organised to take their class to a pantomime matinee on whichever day the election falls. That will be an arseache to sort and the trip will probably end up getting cancelled.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 19:30

Totally off topic, but the Royal Mail have a service updates page.
Who knew?!
personal.help.royalmail.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12556/~/service-update

NoWordForFluffy · 29/10/2019 19:31

But it is busy really though. When you're coordinating lots of kids (120 per year group).

But, we aren't a polling station!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 19:33

The harder thing to organise will be church and community owned halls. Our local parish council is very dependant on takings from hall bookings and any clashing Christmas events will hit especially hard. Church halls similarly tend to be very booked up at this time of year.

NoWordForFluffy · 29/10/2019 19:47

Our church hall has a Christmas tree display with community groups decorating a tree to put in the church and hall. Nice surroundings for a vote!

wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 20:04

Election on December 12th!

MockersthefeMANist · 29/10/2019 20:09

Bit of a blow there for Elanor Laing's bid for Speaker. Despite being a qualified solicitor, she got in a muddle and had to let Bercow sort it out.

RHTawneyonabus · 29/10/2019 20:41

Just reflecting that it may not be the end for votes at16 / Eu citizens amendments as we’ve still got the House of Lords to go!

RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 20:41

Printers will have fun. Run up to christmas is usually a busy period. Look how that worked out last time.

Who wants to canvas in December when it's dark? Or even merely deliver leaflets in a dodgy part of town you don't know?

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 29/10/2019 21:06

Just feel really sad. I think we will end up with a Tory government; hopefully not a majority.
5 years is enough time to royally fuck the country.

Sostenueto · 29/10/2019 21:22

I don't think I will see another labour government in my lifetime.Sad

ListeningQuietly · 29/10/2019 21:33

None of the parties deserve to win.
They all deserve to lose.
Therefore a nicely strung up parliament would be perfect

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 29/10/2019 21:33

Once Scotland leaves the Union, England and Wales will probably be proportionally Leavers till the younger generations can vote.

DrBlackbird · 29/10/2019 23:36

So did BJ get his way then? What happened as I thought Labour were saying no to an election unless no deal off the table. Think I've come to hate most of them. Can't stand the thought of how it's all a big game to them.

Me150267 · 30/10/2019 01:17

Will really miss Bercow. Could Donald Tusk move here quickly and become PM. Please please please.

fedup21 · 30/10/2019 08:15

Who wants to canvas in December when it's dark? Or even merely deliver leaflets in a dodgy part of town you don't know?

I reckon it will be social media campaigns instead

NoWordForFluffy · 30/10/2019 08:40

The LDs have been canvassing already for months here. Thankfully we aren't rural and don't really have any dodgy areas to avoid at night either.

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