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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of ⅔ of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 17:01

Potterhead 💐
I hope you recover soon
Your dogs will be trying to give comfort

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Hoooo · 28/10/2019 17:02

potter fellow fibro sufferer here...rest, rest, rest!!
Ibuprofen gel, day nurse and night nurse. Get well soon x

BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 17:04

"Chukka might say that their "Notwithstanding" Bill to overcome the FTPA with a simple majority won't be amendable - but that's up to the Speaker and it's not in Chukka's gift. "

Yep, I read that it would be amendable unless the Speaker decided otherwise. for which there would have to be good reason

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 17:06

"there was time for a PV (without getting in the way of the EU Budget cycle if the answer were still No) was back in the April extension. I think Macron misjudged when he blocked that"

pretty imo Macron had already decided then that it was best for the UK to Leave
Some E27 leaders have hoped for Remain until fairly recently, but he is not one of them

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BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 17:15

Bercow looks tired and a bit fed up today.
Oh god, here's bozo.

Mistigri · 28/10/2019 17:19

*I always thought that the "don't knows" were the "mind your own business, it's between me and the ballot paper" right wing authoritarian types?
*
It probably depends on the question. If you're asking about something which is an established matter of opinion (do you support gay marriage/ a woman's right to choose) then maybe.

However if you ask people their opinion about the WA, you're asking about something on which not having an opinion is perfectly reasonable. And when you ask questions like that, the don't knows tend to be a specific group - much (much) more female and much less ideologically aligned.

Violetparis · 28/10/2019 17:19

Bozo sounds knackered and not himself either.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 17:20

He's going for reasonable and persuasive. My exH does this but then returns to true form and has a tantrum.
I've made a cup of tea but should have cracked open the gin Gin

Basilpots · 28/10/2019 17:22

twitter.com/c4dispatches/status/1188831701654482945?s=21

Government have met trade officials from US wrt drug pricing and the NHS. 8pm on Channel 4 tonight.

NoWordForFluffy · 28/10/2019 17:24

I hope that programme is damning for the government. Could be handy before an election!

prettybird · 28/10/2019 17:25

I do see where Bearbehind is coming from when she posits that the only way that the rifts might be healed is to experience No Deal Shock

Indeed there have been times when I've thought, "Fuck it. Let the fuckers experience what No Deal really means. Find out that there really aren't Sunny Upland and No, the Empire doesn't still exist. And No, there isn't a residual sense of goodwill to former Colonial rulers. And Yes, the UK will indeed find out that it is an small island off the edge of large continent with no, especially in England, natural resources" Angry

Such an attitude has the advantage that it will almost certainly help advance the cause of Scottish independence (and Scotland has more natural resources per head of population than England has Wink).

But then I pull myself up and remind myself that it's not fair on the poorest and most vulnerable across all of the UK - no matter what they voted Sad

And unfortunately, whatever the shit we end up in (and with the Tories in charge, we will end up in the shit, if not immediately, at the latest on 1 January 2020 Sad), the blame will still end up being placed on the EU and the supposed "Remoaners". The Brexiters will never take any of the responsibility - despite being in charge. Angry

(BTW BigChoc - your posts do sometimes come across with very strange formatting. It's worse on the laptop - and often they'll look ok on the app and a jumble on the laptop Confused)

MockersthefeMANist · 28/10/2019 17:25

The House of Fun is back in business, with Bozo the Clown explaining that "It wasn't my letter," and they're all into competitive poppy season: Mine's bigger than yours. Mine's Scottish and Special, etc.

Miljah · 28/10/2019 17:25

Bercows tea? Tactical error... Grin

prettybird · 28/10/2019 17:28

BJ just lies and lies and lies. He has no shame.

PotterHead1985 · 28/10/2019 17:28

Hahaha at JC and the die in a ditch broken promise Grin

Sostenueto · 28/10/2019 17:28

PMK

yolofish · 28/10/2019 17:29

Confused (again) PMK. I no longer have any idea what to hope for. And the installation of Operation Brock in Kent was already fucked up this morning because the necessary works over-ran - a Brexit metaphor maybe?

MockersthefeMANist · 28/10/2019 17:31

Can't even organise a traffic jam.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 17:31

Mini bercows very sad that Mr Speaker is going on Thursday. "Will we still have that liar?" He said. He's rolling his eyes at bozo now saying he's a stupid liar and a poo Grin

Corbyn is giving it gust. Go Jeremy! I'm not a fan but I do like the way he just looks at bozo with a look of boredom and "have you finished twittering on yet you great buffoon?"
Bozo's back to his petulant child pose.

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 28/10/2019 17:32

Love John Bercow.
Wish he wasn’t stepping down.

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 28/10/2019 17:34

Go Corbyn.
“I do not trust the Prime Minister”

tobee · 28/10/2019 17:35

Nobody trusts Johnson!

But some people seem to think that's part of the fun!! Angry

Miljah · 28/10/2019 17:36

prettybird - I call out any 'Remainer' blame everywhere I see it. I sort of 'grey rock' it, in a 'not my circus/not my monkeys way.

I also have agreed with bear that maybe we need No Deal to smack some sense into this country.

Like you, I don't want to see the poor and vulnerable hit hardest, as they will be. But I am not quite kind enough to extend that to a poor, vulnerable Leave voter. Many of whom are the ones who put us where we are.

If you take on the responsibility of voting, you take on responsibility for the consequences. Unless we want to revisit universal suffrage Confused - (not confused, but 'wibble' which is what that emoticon looks like!)...

HeyNotInMyName · 28/10/2019 17:37

PMK
Back to see what I have missed today...

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 17:38

Miljah I never drink tea after 4pm at the very latest so I'm actually pushing the boat out here. I have two cups of a morning and that's it unless I'm cold or unwell.

Bozo does look bog-eyed.

I like bercows tie. I mentioned his fan ties in my email to him.

They tories are so fucking rude Angry They just shout everyone down. Reminds me of a certain public house.