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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of â…” of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 12:00

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

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MangoSalsa · 28/10/2019 12:00

Another day on tenterhooks.

TokyoSushi · 28/10/2019 12:01

Earliest PMK I've had! Thanks!!

NotJustACigar · 28/10/2019 12:01

Pmk thank you

DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 12:03

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Butterymuffin · 28/10/2019 12:03

Do or die, he said..

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 28/10/2019 12:05

Thanks bigchoc

prettybird · 28/10/2019 12:06

Chilled out pussy on dh's lap (asserting his place so that I was the one who had to go and make more coffee Wink)

BJ still doesn't get that the EU is a Union Hmm The clue is in the name Confused It will always act in its best interests and is not there to save BJ's neck.

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Apileofballyhoo · 28/10/2019 12:11

Thanks BigChoc. We have a public holiday here - DH just said he loves when we have one and the UK doesn't as it's easier to keep up with what's happening. I fully agree. Though I've been stepping back as I get too upset and worried (easier to do so when it's clear there'll be an extension).

It's all so upsetting.

@redtoothbrush - I hope your friend you were helping is ok, I've been meaning to say.

DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 12:13

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BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 28/10/2019 12:13

PMK with a big happy grin on my face 😃

DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 12:14

All very odd, I tried to post 2 pictures together, but MN was having none of it.

Oh well, thread will run out quicker Grin

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BeerandBiscuits · 28/10/2019 12:16

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.
Not enough time to add 16 yr olds for snap election

Hoooo · 28/10/2019 12:17

Pmk

GeistohneGrenzen · 28/10/2019 12:20

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prettybird · 28/10/2019 12:21

Scottish 16 year old are already on the electoral register as they can vote in local and Scottish Parliament elections Grin and Indyrefs Wink #justsaying Wink

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 28/10/2019 12:23

PMK.

BirdandSparrow · 28/10/2019 12:23

pmk

DGRossetti · 28/10/2019 12:25

BJ still doesn't get that the EU is a Union

BJ still doesn't get the UK is a Union. I can just see Her Majesty having to remind him every time "I am Queen of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, you know" (with a "knobhead" under her breath).

KanelbulleKing · 28/10/2019 12:25

A further extension means I can still order my Christmas selection boxes from the UK. So not all bad news.

TheElementsSong · 28/10/2019 12:25

PMK

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 12:27

Votes at 16 could be yet another blow over the Tories' already battered head in Scotland.

And if a new Tory govt repeals that law, what a way to piss off the youngest voters.

Even if not enough time to organise UK-wide for this GE,
it could take effect for the following GE, if we have a hung Parliament and the Tories can't repeal it.

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