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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of â…” of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 18:36

Ken is standing down?? I didn't know that. So his last job will be filling in until new speaker so

tobee · 29/10/2019 18:36

Some of them are not standing at next ge

TheMShip · 29/10/2019 18:37

A little light reading on the future trade deal, courtesy of Barnier:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/29/michel-barnier-tells-uk-ignore-eu-regulatory-standards-at-your-peril

ClashCityRocker · 29/10/2019 18:38

Signed up for Best for Britain.

It's doubtful we will get the tory out, but I'm determined to do my bit to at least try.

OublietteBravo · 29/10/2019 18:39

But isn’t Burt also standing down? Or have I got that wrong?

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 18:39

Michael Tomlinson just mentioned Mumsnet in the committee stage!!!!!

JustAnotherPoster00 · 29/10/2019 18:40

Is it just me or are the Tory party fillibustering committee stage?

wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 18:40

Michael Tomlinson just mentioned Mumsnet in the committee stage!!!!!

Yes! Just heard that and was about to post, but you beat me to it! Grin

Dusty01 · 29/10/2019 18:42

One of the Tories just mentioned Mumsnet. Said people on mumsnet had been discussing nativity plays being interrupted for GE.

PostNotInHaste · 29/10/2019 18:42

He is my MP, what did he say?

PostNotInHaste · 29/10/2019 18:43

Sorry, crossed posts and seen now!

NoWordForFluffy · 29/10/2019 18:45

Said people on mumsnet had been discussing nativity plays being interrupted for GE.

Well, I'd say we've been having much weightier discussions than that.

wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 18:45

JRM's back...

chomalungma · 29/10/2019 18:49

My thread was quoted Grin

Said people on mumsnet had been discussing nativity plays being interrupted for GE

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3726369-to-think-that-an-election-on-the-12th-December-is-a-bad-idea-because-it-will-affect-Christmas-at-primary-schools

Dusty01 · 29/10/2019 18:49

Re: nativity play conversation. It was while they were talking on and on about the date having to be Thursday, I think, and schools not being a good place to vote. We should be voting in pubs instead, they said.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 18:49

Ian Dunt@IanDunt

Reports starting to dribble into the Commons that the govt has done a deal and agreed to a date of Dec 9th,

just as its MPs in there saying how unacceptable it would be.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 29/10/2019 18:49

One of the Tories just mentioned Mumsnet. Said people on mumsnet had been discussing nativity plays being interrupted for GE.

well - before Tories and Mumsnetters alike are up in arms and call the whole thing off ... the chances are, most Primary schools will not have finalised started thinking about their nativities yet and so - if we know the date of a GE this week - will work round it no problem.

church halls might be a bit more of a problem to hire for an election at that time of year, though. I imagine they have probably already got things booked.

titchy · 29/10/2019 18:50

Said people on mumsnet had been discussing nativity plays being interrupted for GE.

Jesus. Makes us sound like a load of vacuous numpties Sad

flouncyfanny · 29/10/2019 18:51

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wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 18:51

Reports starting to dribble into the Commons that the govt has done a deal and agreed to a date of Dec 9th

Steve Baker just popped out to double-check and it's not true, apparently!

NoWordForFluffy · 29/10/2019 18:51

Our nativity plays have been planned since September! The calendar is rather packed in December.

chomalungma · 29/10/2019 18:54

If they prorogue on Thursday, won't this be the shortest time between a Queen's Speech and ending.

What will they say the Government has achieved since the Queen's Speech?

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 29/10/2019 18:55

We have a packed calendar for December at our school too. Mass, carol concerts, nativity play for nursery and reception and then one for year 1 and 2 as well. Then there's the practices for the things happening outside of school. Our school isn't used for polling though but I imagine other schools are similarly busy in December, especially if they are faith schools.

Icantreachthepretzels · 29/10/2019 18:56

Our nativity plays have been planned since September!

Well there's always going to be some girly swots Grin

But if your school does its Christmas play in its own school hall - a one day election, with over a months notice, is hardly the end of the world. We've had to reorganise and reschedule around snowmaggeddons before - it's fine. Improvising is the art to primary education.