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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

991 replies

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 03/09/2019 13:03

PMK

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 13:04

Thanks red

NoWordForFluffy · 03/09/2019 13:06

PMK. Thanks, Red.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 13:07

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Socksontheradiator · 03/09/2019 13:07

Thank you. You sound very weary Flowers

bellinisurge · 03/09/2019 13:08

Many thanks, Red. "Buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy night".

Hoooo · 03/09/2019 13:12

Thank you red

ImNotYourGranny · 03/09/2019 13:13

pmk

MrPan · 03/09/2019 13:13

"I think we're going to need a bigger boat."

prettybird · 03/09/2019 13:14

Two cats sitting in peculiar places.

I think the Red's sequence of thread titles would themselves make an interesting commentary on this whole clusterfuck.

Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire
Horehound · 03/09/2019 13:17

Pmk

FMFL · 03/09/2019 13:18

Thanks Red

SistemaAddict · 03/09/2019 13:22

I bought cheesecake in an attempt to self soothe.

thecatfromjapan · 03/09/2019 13:24

Thanks, Red. 💐

thecatfromjapan · 03/09/2019 13:25

Repeated from other thread:

OhYouBadKitten

I'll be joining the protest tonight if it goes on after 8 (which it will!).

If you'd like to make an attempt to meet up, could you DM me?

I can't see how to private message on my phone & I've been away from MN so ling, I have no old DM emails I can utilise!!!

Anyway, I'm going to protest my heart out.
🙂

NotJustACigar · 03/09/2019 13:27

Pmk thanks Red.

TokyoSushi · 03/09/2019 13:27

PMK, here we go!

Camomila · 03/09/2019 13:27

PMK

(My dad took some adorable stray kitten photos on holiday, will upload them later to cheet everyone up)

Rhubarbisevil · 03/09/2019 13:29

Checking in - with the gin Gin

ExpletiveDelighted · 03/09/2019 13:29

PMK here too, thanks Red

Hazardtired · 03/09/2019 13:29

Ta red missed most of this morning so the summary is very helpful!

hoooo did see first thing it's your mumma's scan tomo - keeping everything crossed.

Hoooo · 03/09/2019 13:30

Thank you to all of you who are going to protest tonight....wish I didn't live so far away!

Peregrina · 03/09/2019 13:30

With Boris Johnson threatening to expel Philip Hammond from the Tory party, I think we might now really be seeing the death throws of the party. It's been sick for a long time, but kept rallying.....

Hoooo · 03/09/2019 13:32

Hopefully it'll split and the erg headbangers will be kept out of power.....?

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 13:38

With Boris Johnson threatening to expel Philip Hammond from the Tory party,

If the rabble alliance are any cop, they should have started that rumour themselves, since I suspect it will boost their cause no end.

I think the Tories have forgotten there are normal, everyday folk who might be thinking of voting Tory watching this. The tougher Boris tries to look, the more he's scaring them.

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