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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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NoWordForFluffy · 04/09/2019 05:47

Nick Boles, not Soames. Got my Nicks mixed up!

Ohflippineck · 04/09/2019 06:52

“Just like my MIL and her lovely friends said about Germany in 1932.”

People will roll their eyes and label you hysterical, Woman. I couldn’t agree with you more. My German MIL, 86, has expressed the same fears.

Rattled, JRM is finally begin to show his true colours, beneath all of the quaint, affected eccentricity to keep the peasants entertained. Lounging on the front bench. Contemptuous Bastard. Just who the holy fuck does he think he is?

Express claiming the “rebels” should be ashamed for the rest of their lives? They are the only people in this debacle who can hold their heads up high. They have been completely honourable in putting their self interest aside and future generations may owe them a very great deal.
Many people,however they voted in the referendum, are so appalled at the way these people have been treated this morning. To quote Julia Roberts (Grin ought to be someone loftier, I know, but seems most apposite). “Big mistake Cummings. Huge.”

Ohflippineck · 04/09/2019 07:06

I have just tried to e-mail Ken Clarke, to say Thank You. His e-mail at Parliament is invalid already. Disgraceful.

Sostenueto · 04/09/2019 07:08

Pmk

TheNumberfaker · 04/09/2019 07:16

Another gripping day of actual action happens today: decision in the Scottish anti-prorogation case and obviously the bill gets debated.

NoWordForFluffy · 04/09/2019 07:18

That is disgraceful, as he's still an MP. Just an independent one. Bloody hell. Democracy in action, eh?!

NoWordForFluffy · 04/09/2019 07:19

What time are we expecting the Cherry decision? Hopefully between 10-1, so the Court's morning sitting hours.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 04/09/2019 08:10

Around 10am.
I think everyone else is two threads ahead now Grin

OublietteBravo · 04/09/2019 08:58

WA + Customs Union would’ve cleared parliament months ago.

RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 09:10

WA + Customs Union would’ve cleared parliament months ago.

I don't believe this.

Labour was being too tribal.
The LDs too purist.

Revisionism over this is unhelpful.

Labour and the LDs (and their supporters and allies) need to own their mistakes over this in order to learn from them.

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BigChocFrenzy · 04/09/2019 13:26

Yep, the HoC could have killed off No Deal months ago - but they all held out for their own flavour of unicorn

So now there are no safe, reliable ways to avoid No Deal, only gambles which may backfire or even be undone later

lljkk · 04/09/2019 20:01

Phil-Hammond was one of those who voted to keep No Deal an option previously.

ListeningQuietly · 04/09/2019 20:05

Winston Churchill's grandson puts the boot in

www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2019/sep/04/sir-nicholas-soames-delivers-emotional-speech-after-tory-whip-withdrawn-video

ListeningQuietly · 04/09/2019 20:06

Jonathan Pie puts the boot in

ListeningQuietly · 04/09/2019 20:07

Donald Tusk in March

ListeningQuietly · 04/09/2019 20:09

Jacob Rees Mogg clarifies his view of post Brexit regulations

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html

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