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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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Grinchly · 03/09/2019 15:50

Yes indeed BCF. I read that with some disquiet also.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 15:51

He crossed the floor!!!

Tom Peck @tompeck
Erm, midway through the PM’s statement, Philip Lee has just walked in and sat down with the Lib Dems.

If that is a defection it has been done in full WWE style.

Well that was quite something. Lee is gone. Boris Johnson has had his majority taken from him right in front of his eyes. And he’s now completely lost it. All over the place.

This is a complete embarrassment. Johnson is just waggling his hand and spouting utter drivel. Trump press conferences have nothing on this and I’ve been to a couple.

One vaguely good thing. Johnson is the first Tory leader in three that the Labour MPs have loathed more than their own. And it shows.

Reaches for the remote control....

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prettybird · 03/09/2019 15:53

Official Government advice to its supporters to call the Rebel Alliance Bill the "Surrender Bill" is a really good way to get the rebels back on-side Confused

Anyone might think that the Government was deliberately trying to fuel the continued rebellion and provoke support for an immediate over-turning of the FTPA Hmm

BestIsWest · 03/09/2019 15:53

Wow! What happens now? Have come here for the news rather than the usual MSM.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 15:53

Dr Phillip Lee MP @drphillipleemp
After a great deal of thought, I have reached the conclusion that it is no longer possible to serve my constituents’ and country’s best interests as a Conservative Member of Parliament. My letter to the Prime Minister:

Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire
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BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 15:53

Johnson to Hammond:

"You are handing power over to a junta that includes Jeremy Corbyn,”
Confused
Pot. Kettle.

I was just thinking of what to call the current govt
"Junta" fits

But not the "military junta" we hear about typically for countries in South America

Maybe "fools junta" ?

Grinchly · 03/09/2019 15:56

Corbyn doing OK.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 15:56

< Passes 🍫🍫🍫 around thread >

Enjoy watching BJ disintegrate into a pile of waffle ! 😂😂

tobee · 03/09/2019 15:56

Yes, I agree, I'm still suspicious of govt motivations pretty. Cummings and Johnson seem to be self annihilating along with everything else. Confused

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 15:57

Darren McCaffery @darreneuronews
NEW: @BorisJohnson to meet @LeoVaradkar in Dublin on Monday - via @RTENews

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DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 15:57

What was that name again ?

George Canning ?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 15:57

Corbyn is seeming impressive rn.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 15:58

Wow! What happens now? Have come here for the news rather than the usual MSM.

Dunno!

passes popcorn

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DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 15:58

NEW: @BorisJohnson to meet @LeoVaradkar in Dublin on Monday - via @RTENews

Somehow, I suspect, Boris Johnson-Cummings will get the name - and it's pronunciation - spot on this time.

GirlsBlouse17 · 03/09/2019 16:00

PMK

QueenOfThorns · 03/09/2019 16:00

Corbs is doing OK. Emily Thornberry gave RoidRaab a hard time earlier as well. Grin

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 16:00

thanks pretty Grin

Good God what a day, absolute shambles it sounds like. Govt has now lost its sliver of a majority too. I suppose technically the Speaker should (by convention) side with the Government so it might theoretically still have one in a tie situation but if I were Boris I wouldn't bet on that for a second.

Seems to me that a GE is now very likely in the near future and the outstanding issue is whether Boris is required by Parliament to request a Brexit date extension before it is announced.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 16:01

James Crisp @jamescrisp6
EU diplomat gets in touch as Boris Johnson loses majority woth defection of Philip Lee.

"Now he has lost his majority it seems futile to continue discussions. We can’t be sure that whatever were to come out of it will ever translate into reality."

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HunkyDory69 · 03/09/2019 16:01

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ImNotYourGranny · 03/09/2019 16:01

So what now? Does the queen parachute in and send them all to their rooms to have good think about their behaviour?

I'm so confused and I'm Britain's unofficial spokesperson round here. Got stopped by parents when picking up DS from school who wanted me to explain what's going on in Britain today. I'm like Confused

Jilljams · 03/09/2019 16:02

Is there any chance Boris Johnson could lose his seat in an election? He doesn’t have a very large majority, does he?

He sounded completely rattled in that statement, he doesn’t like not being liked. Maybe for the first time in his life the bumbling fool act isn’t going to work for him.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 16:02

Someone clearly didn't finish their copy of "The Prince".

Like a lot of people they probably got halfway through, thought "I know all this stuff ..." and went on to make a fist of it.

EngTech · 03/09/2019 16:03

Have a spare comfy chair and drinks if anyone wishes to avail themselves while we watch Parliament implode 😎😎

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 16:04

This is a government with no mandate, no morals and as of today, no majority
Nice dig there from JC

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 16:05

Nish Kumar @mrnishkumar
We all know how Boris Johnson feels about minorities

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