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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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Hoooo · 03/09/2019 15:38

Is it me, or is Bojo's bluster sounding rather desperate?

tobee · 03/09/2019 15:38

Lonelytired mentioned on the other thread Johnson resemblance to Hitler. Watching repeat of Britain at War in Colour last night Mussolini more comes to mind!

Just watching Jane Dodds MP being introduced and taking oath in House of Commons. Fun first days at work.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 15:38

Are you a Tory MP, howabout ? If so, you were quick off the mark !Grin

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 15:39

Is it me, or is Bojo's bluster sounding rather desperate?

Boris Johnson-Cummings ?

tobee · 03/09/2019 15:39

Had to turnover when Johnson stood up. Rather get the info from you people.

Hoooo · 03/09/2019 15:41

More like Moseley.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 15:43

"you only get the right answer if you ask the right question"

The right answer for the EU in a UK PV can be either Remain or Brexit;
I suspect they are mostly past caring which

The right answer for the UK ... needs to avoid economic collapse and / or civil order
So the question and the campaign matter hugely
But that's no longer the EU's concern

prettybird · 03/09/2019 15:44

BlowJobCum misquoting Merkel. I'm sure she'll be delighted at that Hmm

Songsofexperience · 03/09/2019 15:44

Fancies himself a Churchill but just a Moseley. Ouch.

Grinchly · 03/09/2019 15:45

Philip lee has defected to Lib Dem's. Gov has no majority

Grinchly · 03/09/2019 15:45

Dems Hmm

LouiseCollins28 · 03/09/2019 15:46

"Boris Johnson-Cummings" Yuk!!

Oh and thanks to the good folk of Westministenders I have learned a new word "Boak" which is the only response I can offer to that image.

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 15:46

Paul Waugh @paulwaugh
^Fascinating titbit of what happened as 'rebel alliance' of MPs were sitting outside PM's office as they waited for meeting.
I'm told several of them were 'hectored for an extended period of time' by Dominic Cummings. He then apparently told them "I don't know who any of you are!"^

I'm naturally checking this claim with No.10...

No love lost in subsequent meeting between Hammond and PM and advisers. Govt sources say he was among only 2 or 3 'irreconcilables'

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-philip-hammond-brexit-rebel-alliance-meeting_uk_5d6e650ae4b09bbc9ef4cba8?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics
Boris Johnson And Philip Hammond Clash At Fiery 'Rebel Alliance' No.10 Meeting
PM described as "unconvincing" on a new Brexit deal, but Johnson accuses rebels of "handing power over to a junta that includes Jeremy Corbyn".

Only 2 or 3 irreconcilable ones yet they want to deselect the lot...

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prettybird · 03/09/2019 15:46

Not sure how much longer I can thole listening to his lies and half at most truths Angry

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 15:46

KLAXON !

Has BJ just lost his majority ?

Reported that Phillip Lee (Tory MP for Bracknell) has joined the LibDems.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 15:47

Philip lee has defected to Lib Dems. Gov has no majority

Damn. The Worlds Smallest Violin Shop (it's not a tiny shop, it just sells small violins) is closed Tuesdays.

Where's my spotted hanky ?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 15:47

Wow. Philip Lee defecting has been rumoured all summer but what a way to do it.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 15:47

Worth a quick note of support to Mr. Lee ?

Grinchly · 03/09/2019 15:48

Dr Lee I think Wink

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 15:48

In case anyone missed it and my comment sounds weird, as blowjob got up to speak Lee literally crossed the floor and sat with the Lib Dems before issuing his statement

prettybird · 03/09/2019 15:49

Boak is a good Scottish word Louise Smile, just like thole Grin

OhYouBadBadKitten · 03/09/2019 15:49

AutumnCrow I can't respond on the other thread, my phone threw a wobbly at it.
I wish I could see the debate too, but I figure one evening protesting, one evening watching will be the best balance for me. I nearly packed a little radio before I realised that there's no way I'd be able to hear it.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 15:49

"Only 2 or 3 irreconcilable ones"

If true, the vote tonight is in trouble

tobee · 03/09/2019 15:49

Re Johnson and Mussolini I was specifically referring to his shape and ridiculous bombastic demeanour.

EngTech · 03/09/2019 15:50

If Government has no majority then GE time?

Still with JC in No. 10, all will be sorted ASAP and we will be remaining in in the EU 😎😎😎👍

Then a case of sit back and wait 😎😎👍👍😳😳