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Westminstenders: Lets get on with...

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2019 09:48

Admitting the mandate for leaving has expired.

The newspapers today are full of Talk of both Corbyn and May panicking that Brexit is destroying their parties, so after nearly 3 years of party politics they have decided that actually they can agree on something in the next week or so. Not because it's in the national interest but because they don't fancy mutual self assured destruction.

If they do manage to cobble something together then it with be rushed and shite.

If they don't they will be punished at the Euro elections by a Remain / Leave pincer action.

They can spin it all they like from their local election disaster that it was people wanting to get on with Brexit. It certainly does not change the reality that those people who were most likely to vote are fed up with the pair of them. And that there is a strong indication that the most motivated voters are remain leaning. Perhaps its true that leavers stayed home in protest. If they did, what will they do if the Brexit Party stand candidates at a general election? Maybe they will vote, but you can't argue that they view voting itself as an important act. Spoilt ballots were up, but not that up. If the pair do manage a deal, then we have Brexited which might satisfy some. The trouble is the underlying issues are not to do with the European Union. And even if we leave with a deal that does not resolve our future trading relationship. The poison that is Brexit won't end. And the voters will realise that soon enough. Leaving even with a deal will harm the economy, and that's only going to fuel discontent.

It's therefore hard to see where either party go from here. Not when they are effectively split internally. The poison is here to stay.

Spinning it as 'it shows the public want us to get on with Brexit' isn't going to help their cause with voters who still think leaving is a national disaster. Those voters will still think its a national disaster and will be even more pissed at being ignored and dismissed once again.

Where is the incentive to return to voting Labour or Conservative?

The Euro Elections, if they go ahead, will therefore be about one thing and one thing only: turnout. Even if the Brexit Party do relatively well, it will be about how many turnout in comparison to the locals and in comparison to the last EU elections. Whilst they might not admit the reality of things, ultimately all Labour and Conservatives really care about is securing the vote of people who will vote because voting intention doesn't win them seats if people don't turnout.

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PCPlumsTruncheon · 10/05/2019 17:31

www.google.co.uk/search?q=heaven+17+fascist+groove+thang&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#mie=e,,heaven%2017%20fascist%20groove%20thang,H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLRT9c3LDTNSjEyLDZ-xDibkVvg5Y97wlITGSetOXmNsYuRiys4I7_cNa8ks6RSSIeLDcpS4hKQQtGrwSDFx4UiIqTJxRmUmpNYkpoSki8kw8Urxamfq29gaFyQmwVUzc2F4CopG_HvujTtHBunoJnBlAVfcv0cHq3uXMXKZMDQtG_FITYWDkYBBp5FrHIZqYllqXkKhuYKaYnFyZnFJQrpRfn5ZakKJRmJeekAp13BNtAAAAA

I don’t know how many of you are old enough to remember Heaven 17 but this is brilliant. And was written 10 years ago

woman19 · 10/05/2019 17:43

Remember them! I used to go to the same pub as them in Sheffield! Smile And t'Human League.
'We don't need this fascist groove thing' for sure. Lovely Guy Verhofstadt said the same thing to us earlier at Westminster.
Hope all good PCPlums Smile

ContinuityError · 10/05/2019 17:48

Flowers Pointy

Return address for Turquoise Arrow propaganda:

83 Victoria Street
London
SW1 0HW

If we get any I might write “bollocks” across it rather a lot in chubby stick and send it back to them.

And PCPlums - Heaven 17 released (We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang in 1981 - the BBC banned it at the timeHmm

(Loved that LP - showing my age now Smile)

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 10/05/2019 17:53

Woman 19, wonder if you are a blast from my past, I used to hang around with that scene too....then l moved to Manchester

Hallamshire and Beehive mean anything? And The Limit (best nightclub ever)

ElenadeClermont · 10/05/2019 17:57

I had a Brexit party leaflet today. I have very foreign-sounding first and middle names. Why waste the money?! Or are they trying to wind me up?!

TalkinPaece · 10/05/2019 18:02

(((( pointythings ))))) Look after yourself as best you can
--and stay away from news channels

Watched the Storyville from the EU last night.
I speak french so was laughing a lot more than DH
but he can recognise swearing in any language Grin

pointythings · 10/05/2019 18:13

I have a sister, but she's also in the UK. My cousin back home is doing the heavy lifting and is the executor of her will, but there are some things only I can do. My Dsis suffers from horrendous migraines and she struggles with official documents in Dutch as a result - she's less bilingual than I am.

I'm staying away from the news and watching Ghosts on iPlayer.

nothingwittyhere · 10/05/2019 18:23

Delurking.
I was the "lucky" recipient of the turquoise leaflet in our two person household. I think they must just be choosing one person per address to save money.
I noticed it has a QR code on the back to download their app. Is this normal? Obvs I am not going to make my phone into a hotline data gift to Putin, but I wonder if anyone is?
FWIW I'm leaning to LD in Yorkshire.

DGRossetti · 10/05/2019 18:25

I noticed it has a QR code on the back to download their app. Is this normal? Obvs I am not going to make my phone into a hotline data gift to Putin, but I wonder if anyone is

Assuming they managed to get that right, the temptation to just plug a load of random(ish) stuff down the line is too much. Borderline illegal in the UK though, probably less so in Russia Grin.

Icantreachthepretzels · 10/05/2019 18:31

FWIW I'm leaning to LD in Yorkshire.

Join the Yorkshire MN revolution - and spread the word!

woman19 · 10/05/2019 18:37

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrinceyup The Limit. lovely club. Saw great Johnny Clarke gig there. Both others ring a bell. Smile People's Republic of Yorkshire. 12p bus fares.

1tisILeClerc · 10/05/2019 18:39

Thanks to PC Plums this evening has disintegrated to eating chocolate and watching 80's music vids. A bit spooky that youtube came up with some of the obscure stuff I like which was not particularly popular.

1tisILeClerc · 10/05/2019 18:40

{People's Republic of Yorkshire.}
Should have a wall around it to keep them in!

NoWordForFluffy · 10/05/2019 18:41

I'm so sorry for your loss, pointythings Flowers

The LDs do seem like the least worst option when looking at everything in the round (for most, I know there are some who won't agree). I was a member for a year, but my local lot were really bloody childish about other parties and getting one over on them, which annoyed me, so I didn't renew.

I'm with DGR re the coalition thoughts; I've never held it against them.

I'm not keen on their trans approach, but I'm not sure it's ever possible to agree with everything a party stands for, unless it's a one-policy party, of course.

QueenOfThorns · 10/05/2019 18:41

Hooray! I had a leaflet today from that nice Mr Cable. It didn’t say ‘bollocks’ in it anywhere, but I suspect that slogan isn’t really aimed at my demographic! Nothing from the Turquoise Turkeys yet, but I live in hope Grin

Sorry for your loss, pointythings Flowers

woman19 · 10/05/2019 18:42

'The People's Republic of South Yorkshire' Blush Lovely place.

NoWordForFluffy · 10/05/2019 18:46

Still nothing here in the NW. We got a fair few bits for the locals, but nothing as yet for this election. They're cutting it fine for the postal voters, it has to be said.

NoWordForFluffy · 10/05/2019 18:47

I went to uni in Sheffield; bloody loved it. I reckon I had the firmest thighs in England when I graduated after all the schlepping up and down hills!

ElenadeClermont · 10/05/2019 18:53

DH had the Labour leaflet. He thinks I am the nutters list.

bellinisurge · 10/05/2019 18:56

I have Fascist Groove Thang on 12" vinyl because I used to be cool and have magnificent taste. About 35 years ago 😂

bellinisurge · 10/05/2019 18:58

Or was it a 10" special? Too old to remember how cool I was. It's in the attic.

ElenadeClermont · 10/05/2019 18:59

A bit ashamed to say I have been Vossi Bopping all day. Thanks Stormzy.
Rule number two, don't make the promise
If you can't keep the deal then just be honest (just be honest)
I could never die, I'm Chuck Norris (Chuck Norris)
Fuck the government and fuck Boris (yeah)

bellinisurge · 10/05/2019 19:03

Looking that one up @ElenadeClermont . Ta

dreichuplands · 10/05/2019 19:03

pointy 💐

I have encouraged dh out of change and back to LD. So two Yorkshire LD votes in our house.
We must be at least 7 by now 🤣

TheABC · 10/05/2019 19:18

We did get a Faragit leaflet. I did my bit for the environment by giving it to my toddler for "cutting up" (reuse that paper!) Kept her quiet for 10 minutes of happy shredding.

I will probably vote Lib Dems.