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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2019 09:48

Admitting the mandate for leaving has expired.

The newspapers today are full of Talk of both Corbyn and May panicking that Brexit is destroying their parties, so after nearly 3 years of party politics they have decided that actually they can agree on something in the next week or so. Not because it's in the national interest but because they don't fancy mutual self assured destruction.

If they do manage to cobble something together then it with be rushed and shite.

If they don't they will be punished at the Euro elections by a Remain / Leave pincer action.

They can spin it all they like from their local election disaster that it was people wanting to get on with Brexit. It certainly does not change the reality that those people who were most likely to vote are fed up with the pair of them. And that there is a strong indication that the most motivated voters are remain leaning. Perhaps its true that leavers stayed home in protest. If they did, what will they do if the Brexit Party stand candidates at a general election? Maybe they will vote, but you can't argue that they view voting itself as an important act. Spoilt ballots were up, but not that up. If the pair do manage a deal, then we have Brexited which might satisfy some. The trouble is the underlying issues are not to do with the European Union. And even if we leave with a deal that does not resolve our future trading relationship. The poison that is Brexit won't end. And the voters will realise that soon enough. Leaving even with a deal will harm the economy, and that's only going to fuel discontent.

It's therefore hard to see where either party go from here. Not when they are effectively split internally. The poison is here to stay.

Spinning it as 'it shows the public want us to get on with Brexit' isn't going to help their cause with voters who still think leaving is a national disaster. Those voters will still think its a national disaster and will be even more pissed at being ignored and dismissed once again.

Where is the incentive to return to voting Labour or Conservative?

The Euro Elections, if they go ahead, will therefore be about one thing and one thing only: turnout. Even if the Brexit Party do relatively well, it will be about how many turnout in comparison to the locals and in comparison to the last EU elections. Whilst they might not admit the reality of things, ultimately all Labour and Conservatives really care about is securing the vote of people who will vote because voting intention doesn't win them seats if people don't turnout.

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ElenadeClermont · 10/05/2019 22:09

Thank you Red. We cannot vote for Labour. Just can't do it.

NoWordForFluffy · 10/05/2019 22:10

I agree with TiP re bollocks as a word. And I think 'Bollocks to Brexit' just says what so many people actually think about the entire shenanigans.

prettybird · 10/05/2019 22:12

So which "party political leader" was on QT last night to "provide balance" to Faragit? Confused

QT is now nothing more than a Jeremy Kyle style shouting entertainment programme Hmm It certainly isn't and hasn't been for a long time a serious and balanced debating programme Hmm. They deliberately choose the audience for maximum controversy. Hmm

ElenadeClermont · 10/05/2019 22:17

DH thinks it is probably, because on QT Farage had opposing views and it was a panel discussion. While HIGNFY would not.

The language is shocking.

prettybird · 10/05/2019 22:24

The BBC's own words

"Because of this it would be inappropriate to feature political party leaders on entertainment programmes during this short election period, which does not allow for equal representation to be achieved."

So why was Farage on the entertainment programme QT last night and why has he been on HIGNFY in the run up to previous EU elections?

DadDadDad · 10/05/2019 22:25

I don't think there's anything sinister about QT and HIGNFY. The BBC has to be careful to give balance to all parties during an election period. Presumably, QT had a range of politicians on so wasn't favouring one party, but they thought they would be breaking rules having Allen on her own without other parties present.

Mistigri · 10/05/2019 22:29

Remarkable story in the Sun (just retweeted by Steve Peers) about Farage being involved in a car crash as a passenger this morning and walking off without checking whether everyone involved was OK Shock

SwedishEdith · 10/05/2019 22:34

Problem is that QT is not a political programme any more. They could have replaced Allen (filmed yesterday so would have known earlier this week if problematic). And Farage has been on during similar Euro election periods.

SwedishEdith · 10/05/2019 22:36

And, to add insult to injury, they replace it with Mrs Brown's Boys!

prettybird · 10/05/2019 22:54

Not seeing the consistency here Hmm

The episodes in the run up to the last Euro elections. Only seeing one party leader Confused

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RedToothBrush · 10/05/2019 23:07

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Excl: Sir Graham Brady reveals Theresa May is refusing to set a resignation date as she is convinced it would make her Brexit deal impossible to pass

www.thesun.co.uk/news/9049926/theresa-may-refuse-resignation-date/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Theresa May is refusing to set a firm resignation date before her Brexit deal is passed by Commons
She fears pinning down the date before her deal approved by the Commons would see her Brexiteer critics dig in

Tom Newton Dunn*@tnewtondunn*
Excl: Most powerful Tory backbencher Sir Graham Brady opens the door to his own run for the party’s leadership
www.thesun.co.uk/news/9049994/sir-graham-brady-considering-running-replace-theresa-may/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Sir Graham Brady considering running to replace Theresa May as Tory leader
Most powerful backbencher in the Conservative party Sir Graham Brady is open to joining the race to be Prime Minister

Nicholas Watt @ nicholaswatt
Exc: Liam Fox to raise concerns in cabinet after Tory party fails to highlight ‘totemic’ benefits of independent trade policy in European election leaflet. Follows Sam Coates scoop in the Times

@BBCNewsnight @SamCoatesTimes @LiamFox

Liam Fox confirmed cabinet ‘argument’ over customs union negotiations with Labour: ‘I have no intention of losing that argument...That is why I decided to remain in the cabinet + fight for those elements I believe in, including that a customs union would not be a good idea.’

www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-48235722?__twitter_impression=true
Liam Fox: Cabinet ‘argument’ over customs union

This is in no way related to the fact that if there is a customs union, Liam Fox's entire department and own Cabinet job, become redundant. Honest.

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ADarkandStormyKnight · 10/05/2019 23:09

This is all starting to get quite disturbing.

QuestionTime last night was horrible to watch - Fiona Bruce saying the 'Breaking Point' poster is relatively ancient history was just weird. No more 'ancient' than the cursed referendum.

RedToothBrush · 10/05/2019 23:16

Also this:

Henry Mance @ henrymance
How on earth does on a story on Oxbridge admissions get to Hitler within four paragraphs??

This is referring to a story on the front page of the times.

Sunder Katwala @sundersays
Head of Stowe School v.poor taste and judgment here
* compares critics of private schools to those peddling anti-semitism conspiracies
* while making anecdotal (conspiratorial) claims of discrimination ag private school pupils. (I think data on degree results undermines this)

He compares research on education & social mobility to Elders of Protocols of Zion and Adolf Hitler.

Dr Wallersteiner is of Jewish descent but that should not give him licence to offer such a hyperbolic comparison. Those challenging anti-semitism will find it v.unhelpful

Tim Shipman @shippersunbound
Epic #accidentalpartridge here

If you've ever fancied being head of a major fee-paying school, now is your chance. Suspect there's going to be a job going at Stowe pretty soon

It's a full on WTF story that you might expect to pass the lips of Donald Trump going on about how hard done by he is.

Clearly this is thought of as a real problem by those with money and power and is very reflective of the time we are living in.

It certainly feeds into the idea of 'elites' keeping down the ordinary folks too.

Utterly depressing story on many levels.

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