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Westminstenders: Lets get on with...

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RedToothBrush · 05/05/2019 09:48

Admitting the mandate for leaving has expired.

The newspapers today are full of Talk of both Corbyn and May panicking that Brexit is destroying their parties, so after nearly 3 years of party politics they have decided that actually they can agree on something in the next week or so. Not because it's in the national interest but because they don't fancy mutual self assured destruction.

If they do manage to cobble something together then it with be rushed and shite.

If they don't they will be punished at the Euro elections by a Remain / Leave pincer action.

They can spin it all they like from their local election disaster that it was people wanting to get on with Brexit. It certainly does not change the reality that those people who were most likely to vote are fed up with the pair of them. And that there is a strong indication that the most motivated voters are remain leaning. Perhaps its true that leavers stayed home in protest. If they did, what will they do if the Brexit Party stand candidates at a general election? Maybe they will vote, but you can't argue that they view voting itself as an important act. Spoilt ballots were up, but not that up. If the pair do manage a deal, then we have Brexited which might satisfy some. The trouble is the underlying issues are not to do with the European Union. And even if we leave with a deal that does not resolve our future trading relationship. The poison that is Brexit won't end. And the voters will realise that soon enough. Leaving even with a deal will harm the economy, and that's only going to fuel discontent.

It's therefore hard to see where either party go from here. Not when they are effectively split internally. The poison is here to stay.

Spinning it as 'it shows the public want us to get on with Brexit' isn't going to help their cause with voters who still think leaving is a national disaster. Those voters will still think its a national disaster and will be even more pissed at being ignored and dismissed once again.

Where is the incentive to return to voting Labour or Conservative?

The Euro Elections, if they go ahead, will therefore be about one thing and one thing only: turnout. Even if the Brexit Party do relatively well, it will be about how many turnout in comparison to the locals and in comparison to the last EU elections. Whilst they might not admit the reality of things, ultimately all Labour and Conservatives really care about is securing the vote of people who will vote because voting intention doesn't win them seats if people don't turnout.

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borntobequiet · 10/05/2019 13:38

Peregrina if you get the chance please could you ask Layla to stop uttering audible exclamation marks? She's always so excited! Without any discernible reason! It's really annoying!

boldlygoingsomewhere · 10/05/2019 13:43

Got our first election literature today from the Tories. It’s titled ‘How to show you want a Brexit deal delivered as soon as possible’.

They are totally going for the Leave voters and competing with Fartage and UKIP.

Can’t remember who said it upthread but I do think we are seeing the death throes of the Conservative Party. No-one I know under the age of 40 is considering voting for them. Unless they change course, demographics are against them in the long run.

Peregrina · 10/05/2019 13:54

Well it was exciting to get Nicola Blackwood voted out! And it has been exciting to get last week's election results! But I will see what I can do!!

Peregrina · 10/05/2019 13:56

Can’t remember who said it upthread but I do think we are seeing the death throes of the Conservative Party. No-one I know under the age of 40 is considering voting for them.

Ultimately, I think that will upset May more than not getting a Brexit deal.

borntobequiet · 10/05/2019 13:58

!!! Thanks

Peregrina · 10/05/2019 14:05

They are totally going for the Leave voters and competing with Fartage and UKIP.

And haven't paused to wonder why they got slaughtered in the local elections. Except that they are pretending it wasn't an anti-Brexit vote.

lonelyplanetmum · 10/05/2019 14:12

Deepest condolences pointythings. Thanks

borntobequiet · 10/05/2019 14:19

I really hope the death throes of the Conservative Party is true. Similarly the Labour party. Neither is fit for purpose, nor has been for some years now. They are structurally and societally unsuitable for the 21st century, in my opinion (for what it's worth)

DGRossetti · 10/05/2019 14:22

Can’t remember who said it upthread but I do think we are seeing the death throes of the Conservative Party. No-one I know under the age of 40 is considering voting for them.

Aren't there some situations where the instinctive reaction is also the worst ? That's what did for the Tories - and may they burn in hell for the evil it's unleashed. When faced with the spectre of right wing extremism; the Tory party rather than reaching deep into it's soul - the one nation conservatism that saw a sense of duty to the country (even if it could be patronising, condescending and clumsy at times) - and overcoming it with example, debate and honesty; chose to try and out Farage-Farage. The easy, lazy way out. Well they tried that, and it's destroying them. Like a poor insect attacked by a fungus, they are being slowly eaten from the inside, but kept alive so as to continue providing fresh nutrients for the horror that will eventually erupt and discard it's husk. Most fungi that work in that way know to leave the brain (or insect equivalent) until last. Something I suspect has passed by the leadership hopefuls, if we credit the leader of the Tory party with being "the brain". An act of imagination which underscores how difficult metaphors can be sometimes.

bellinisurge · 10/05/2019 14:23

@borntobequiet how did you vote in the referendum on abolishing FPTP. Surely that issue is settled for a generation because The People voted against changing it.

DGRossetti · 10/05/2019 14:27

I really hope the death throes of the Conservative Party is true.

It's the one thing I'd accept to vote for Brexit.

TheElementsSong · 10/05/2019 14:36

Flowers pointythings

DH got a Turquoise Arrow leaflet in the post today. Whether this is because he's The Man, or because they weren't going to write to me with my foreign-sounding surname, who knows.

Anyway, I added some notations and posted it back to them (without a stamp).

Westminstenders: Lets get on with...
Westminstenders: Lets get on with...
borntobequiet · 10/05/2019 14:36

I voted for changing to AV. It's not the best but it's better than FPTP and I think people would perceive it as "fair" - it's certainly the system regularly invented by my Y9 classes when asked to devise a fairer system...intuitively quite straightforward.

DGRossetti · 10/05/2019 14:53

Turquoise Arrow leaflet

They don't even try and hide anymore ... an arrow pointing right FFS .. possibly with an intention to subliminally connect with "Dads Army" ?

Is it gin o'clock yet ?

RedToothBrush · 10/05/2019 15:36

McDonald's Milkshakes. The weapon of choice against the far right
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cornwall-48230438?__twitter_impression=true
UKIP candidate Carl Benjamin in Truro milkshake melee

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LonelyTiredandLow · 10/05/2019 15:44

Turqoise arrow leaflet arrived here for me also. Although there is no man in my household thus I suspect they hedged their bets Hmm

@TheElements - is there a return address on there? I didn't look too closely... You have inspired me to use the last few yellow stickers I have though after giving away over 200 at the march Smile

CrunchyCarrot · 10/05/2019 15:45

I see Farage is going to be on the BBC news channel next Tuesday at 5.30 p.m. for 'ask this' questions from viewers. You can send them in... why not ask him some pertinent ones?

#BBCAskThis

Chukka's on the next day, same time. They're going to be doing this with someone from each party.

DGRossetti · 10/05/2019 15:49

I see Farage is going to be on the BBC news channel next Tuesday at 5.30 p.m. for 'ask this' questions from viewers.

I gave up on the BBCs reporting over a year ago.

Littlespaces · 10/05/2019 15:53

I am the ONLY person in the house to receive Brexit leaflet. They didn't do any targeting.

Need to do my own poll -

Flush down toilet [ ]
Post back without stamp [ ]
Shred [ ]
Incinerate [ ]
Deface & attach to town notice board [ ]
Other suggestions [ ]

TheElementsSong · 10/05/2019 15:55

Lonely it's in tiny letters on the top left side, IIRC. A London postcode: SW1-something.

DGRossetti · 10/05/2019 15:59

Need to do my own poll -

Flush down toilet [ ]

Definitely not. Sewers can only cope with a regular amount of shite - not a fucktonne of Brexit party excrement.

Post back without stamp [ ]
Tempting, but unfair on the postal workers who have to handle it. I know I'd want to wash my hands after touching it. Much like the Daily Mail.

Shred [ ]
Tempting, but unless you have a manual shredder seems a waste of electricity ...

Incinerate [ ]
Not very green - all those inks will poison the atmosphere - which is probably the Brexit Partys aim anyway ...

Deface & attach to town notice board [ ]
Direct, personal, and if you walk, part of your 10,000 a day. Gets my vote

Other suggestions [ ]

(will read with interest ....)

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 10/05/2019 16:00

Flowers pointythings I’m sorry for your loss.

littlespaces I found shredding very therapeutic! (But then immediately took the shredded remains to the tip as I didn’t want it in the house in any form at all).

Littlespaces · 10/05/2019 16:02

I do live near Arran Banks - Post through his letterbox?

RedToothBrush · 10/05/2019 16:03

Clearly no one at all is interested in my vote.

I'm feeling very neglected as I have no leaflet.

And my vote is still not decided!

They are missing the opportunity to sell themselves to me.

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Littlespaces · 10/05/2019 16:04

God knows why they sent one to me!