Isn't it time to close pubs and beauty salons

[Eng123]

We are seeing a spike if we closed these activities down for 1 month then its likely schools can remain open. It would seem an obvious choice. I know these businesses circulate money in the economy but on balance their closure would protect a wider range of activities key to the economy.

It would seem an obvious choice.

Would it? How many outbreaks have a proven association with pubs or beauty salons?

I think largest counts of transmissions have been traced to within household contact and certain types of workplaces (eg., food packaging plants). Not pubs or hair dressers.

@lljkk

I think largest counts of transmissions have been traced to within household contact and certain types of workplaces (eg., food packaging plants). Not pubs or hair dressers.

This!

The very few pubs I have visited have been well run with good practices in place.
Can’t comment on beauty salons as I’ve never been to one in my life.

Yeah whatever. Maybe you can just shoot people you think are guilty of spreading the virus. That seems to be the point everyone is rapidly approaching.

No, we need to find out exactly where the majority of cases are being transmitted and put measures in place to prevent it. Not just close pubs and beauty salons on the off chance that it’ll help. That’s the type of scatter gun approach that has caused us so many issues already.

@Tootletum

Yeah whatever. Maybe you can just shoot people you think are guilty of spreading the virus. That seems to be the point everyone is rapidly approaching.

I think that's already started in North Korea.

I went to a beauty salon at the weekend. It was being cleaned constantly, the therapists wore masks and visors and I had to wear a mask until I was in the treatment room.

I felt less safe at the hairdressers but nothing that would stop me going.

I'm willing to bet that the OP rarely visits pubs or salons herself. People are always quick to demand that facilities they themselves aren't interested in be shut down, just because.

Why, pubs have been open since July without a spike, the issue is the weather not the pubs, bugs circulate more when it's cooler

I haven't been out and about that much but on the few occasions I've been out for food or a drink I've felt completely safe.

There seems to be an assumption that because pubs are open, everyone is legless, hugging and kissing. That's not my experience at all.

It appears the main issue is transmission between households, which a lot of people seem to be in denial about.

No

I work in a pub , a massive chain , there hasnt been one recorded covid case since it reopened in July and there must be 30 odd staff on the rota at the one I'm in .. nor has there been a customer that has reported they are positive either

@Tootletum

Yeah whatever. Maybe you can just shoot people you think are guilty of spreading the virus. That seems to be the point everyone is rapidly approaching.

Haha, yes this!

OP it's easy to say that if your livelihood doesn't depend on those sectors. We don't even know if those places are causing any issues. It seems to be households mixing.

Can you prove pubs and salons are responsible for an increase in cases?

Would you be so flippant about closing down entire industries if your livelihood depended on them?

No. We need to continue getting back to some form of normality, not keep trying to put pub landlords and restaurateurs out of business. Enough have gone bankrupt during lockdown as it is.

But is that the answer close everything down ?
We did that and the virus is still around , the country is in debt , companies went bust .
So no I don't think that's the answer as I can't honestly afford to stay home for weeks and not get paid .
Kids have missed months of school and yes schools should be a priority but the reality is there will be no jobs to go to if we close pubs etc as it's a knock on affect on the economy.
It's usually people who never step foot in a pub or salon seam to think closing them all won't affect the economy.
Believe me hospitality is a billion £ industry .

There is definitely a narrow-minded tendency with some people to write off whole sectors of the economy because they deem them unecessary or frivolous. Like theatres - screw 'em, they only contribute £300 billion plus to the UK economy and support loads of anciliary businesses.

Not before I get my nails and lashes done tomorrow!!

In Leicester they haven't even been allowed to reopen close contact beauty yet. Gyms are only open from this morning and pubs only from last month!

I don't think the rises are anything to do with those settings if anything they are all cleaner and quieter than ever.

My hairdressers are taking it very seriously, because reducing the number of customers they can have means they can’t afford to close down for two weeks. I’ve been twice since they opened and I felt very safe. Both times they had someone cleaning and wiping down chairs and equipment. I haven’t been to a pub for a drink but for a meal, again it was fine.

Transmission between households is the problem now, and in a couple of weeks, we’ll see What happens with schools.

I think there is an issue with pubs’ made-up rule (max 6 people at a table). They ignore the actual rule (max 2 households indoors, and members of different households need to be sat 1m apart even if they’re in the same group). So people no longer know what the rule is supposed to be, and don’t follow it because it doesn’t make sense (what’s wrong with meeting Mum & Gran in my tiny kitchen, we could meet in a cafe after all?).

The reason cases aren’t being traced to particular businesses is because Track and Trace is shite and not fit for purpose. We have no actual idea where people are getting covid.

If pubs close people are more likely to socialise within the home with less boundaries and less inhibitions, exactly the opposite of what needs to happen. And every beauty salon ive ever been in even pre covid has always been spotlessly clean.

@PinkMacaron

There is definitely a narrow-minded tendency with some people to write off whole sectors of the economy because they deem them unecessary or frivolous. Like theatres - screw 'em, they only contribute £300 billion plus to the UK economy and support loads of anciliary businesses.

Yes, and often they'll use 'the environment' to give themselves added smug credentials. As in "Well, I haven't been on holiday abroad in 15 years so I don't see why anyone else needs to do so. And it's just so much better for the environment not to have people jetting off to the costa every summer!"

I don't see a spike particularly, and I don't think it's /any rises are coming from pubs and salons.

As a matter of interest, after we have closed all the places that people work, who is going to be paying for the schools? Or, for that matter, all the other services we expect as a right? The government don't pay for them. The workers and the businesses do, out of taxes. I rather suspect that all those who are keen to nominate businesses to close don't actually work in those businesses.