Isn't it time to close pubs and beauty salons

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We are seeing a spike if we closed these activities down for 1 month then its likely schools can remain open. It would seem an obvious choice. I know these businesses circulate money in the economy but on balance their closure would protect a wider range of activities key to the economy.

@IcedPurple

I'm willing to bet that the OP rarely visits pubs or salons herself. People are always quick to demand that facilities they themselves aren't interested in be shut down, just because.

This, 100%!

No

I think closing pubs would clearly send the message to the young that this is still serious. If they want them open again, they need to comply with SD.

Awful for those businesses/staff though, I know. But probably not as bad as another full lockdown and thousands of deaths.

No more bloody lockdowns, we can’t carry on like this let alone afford it. Cases are rising- that was to be expected but hospitalisations and deaths still remain low. This virus going to do its thing and some people just ain’t going to make it. It’s foolhardy to pretend otherwise. The focus needs to be making sure that the NHS doesn’t get overwhelmed and for the vulnerable (which includes me dammit) to be extra careful and let the rest of society crack on - with appropriate measures like social distancing and masks in place of course. Enough is enough already.

BTW- anyone else hoping for some zombies during the impending second wave?? Or is that just me?

I'm guessing that precious few of the people who think that closing these businesses (yet again) is such an obvious choice actually rely on them for employment or as their primary source of income.

@Augustbreeze

I think closing pubs would clearly send the message to the young that this is still serious. If they want them open again, they need to comply with SD.

Awful for those businesses/staff though, I know. But probably not as bad as another full lockdown and thousands of deaths.

Always 'the young' to blame and in need of 'lessons', isn't it?

Never mind that 'the young' are probably more likely to drink at home than in pubs. Do you think if you shut down the pubs, 'the young' won't meet up at all? Probably in private homes with no SD whatsoever.

No one is forced to visit either a pub or hair salon

If you'd prefer to stay at home OP then that's your perogative but I don't see why choice should be removed for those who want to get back to normality

Terrible idea.

These are people's businesses.

The OP seems to have vanished.

Didn't get the response that she had hoped for?

It’s the obvious choice when it isn’t your business on the line.

Have you been to a pub or restaurant? I’ve been to my hairdressers who are have split into two teams and there is no mixing between those teams. They deep clean in between each team being in and half way through the day. Masks are required and if you can’t have a mask, they hand you a face shield. At the pubs I’ve been to, there has been a one way system in place, reduced tables and hand sanitiser at every possible location. All staff have worn PPE and I’ve even had my temperature taken at a few pubs.

On the other hand, everyone at my work has ‘forgotten’ there is a one way system in operation and are not keeping social distance between desks as more and more people go back into the office.

I assume you are not a regular user of pubs or salons then.

This smacks of a Tory focus group question.

My answer - pubs if found to not be following SD rules then yes close them down on a case by case basis. Otherwise no.

Salons absolutely not, they are probably one of the safest, cleanest, most hygenic places you can go right now! Any supermarket is much worse than a salon!

@Augustbreeze

I think closing pubs would clearly send the message to the young that this is still serious. If they want them open again, they need to comply with SD.

Awful for those businesses/staff though, I know. But probably not as bad as another full lockdown and thousands of deaths.

Haha do you think only young people drink in pubs??

Oh look, someone who is happily and successfully working from home is trying to get other people’s livelihoods closed down, without a single shred of evidence that it would make a difference.

Nice.

I can see how some pubs could be instrumental in transmitting the virus, but not beauty salons! No one is drinking, the beautician is masked and taking other precautions throughout the day, like cleaning between clients. Pubs cannot do that.
But without a definite source of outbreaks it's pointless to shut down businesses.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Yes roses maybe coming from pubs in some areas, as evidenced by newspaper reports, but the majority are working fine. I have seen no evidence of cases from beauty salons

What’s needed is everyone to adhere to SD guidelines and that includes those in the 19 to 25 bracket that seem to be impacted at the moment the most

The only message shutting the pubs sends to the young is "get together and drink somewhere else instead". They aren't going to go teetotal and sit home alone just because the Rose & Crown closes it's doors.

Absolutely not. By its very nature a virus will do the rounds until it naturally dies out. You can artificially stem the flow but it CANNOT be stopped from taking its course, and we will kill our economy and national livelihood altogether if we try.

Cases are rising but deaths are not! The stats do not justify inflicting further hardship on huge numbers of people. There has to be a point at which individuals assess risk and take their own chances, as with anything in life. We don't close car dealerships every time there's a RTA.

Those places will have SD/PPE (or should have) and limited numbers and time. Schools have very little SD or PPE and are together for six plus hours with many others.

Education settings need extra measures rather than closing optional places. People will just start socialising more indoors together or turn to friends to do the nails etc meaning no less social contact but an economic one.

I think what is needed is more spot visits from councils to check that places are following the guidance and if necessary those places being warned/fined/made to shut.

The vast majority of pubs I have been in have been following everything well and felt very safe. A small handful haven’t (so we have walked out) and those that are too relaxed seem to be increasing in number as time goes on

No these are people's livelihoods and if operated correctly then there is very little risk, however we need a public health/government campaign to reinforce social distancing and wearing of face coverings To suppress the virus.
If we all grow up and take responsibility for everyone's health and well being then there will be no need to close anything.

Who is going to pay all their wages, let alone the rent on the premises, the dray men, the chefs, the catering companies, furlough ends soon and 100,000s are going to be unemployed.

Only today it was said at the peak we probs had 100k cases a day, we hardly have any.

Absolutely not OP we shouldn't shut down again. All the measures to keep people safe are there and being adhered too by most.

This is exactly what the government have said they will have to do in order to keep schools open - close down other sectors again.

I imagine the kind of pubs most MNrs frequent are somewhat better at being Covid secure than the city centre bars which have been shown with no SD etc. I've also heard many reports of bars and restaurants who are not keeping T&T records.

No I don't want more businesses to fold and people to post their jobs. But this will happen anyway if deaths start rising like they did in March. Plus, well, deaths....

Yes I know young people may well turn to drinking at home etc if bars close, but this is very unlikely to be in such large groups and will involve mainly known contacts, so will be less of a risk.

I'm not seeking to "blame" the young - the statistics clearly show the most growth in cases is amongst the young. Hence the government warning them. But I don't think the message will be heard unless something concrete happens.

The slowness and hesitancy in locking down in the first place due to concern about the economy is what led U.K. to the horrific number of deaths. Locking down fast and hard like aus and nz has not eliminated the problem there but has led to much better control.

The govt can do something about the economy and jobs like introducing national service and rationing. They can’t really do much about deaths one they have happened