Isn't it time to close pubs and beauty salons

[Eng123]

We are seeing a spike if we closed these activities down for 1 month then its likely schools can remain open. It would seem an obvious choice. I know these businesses circulate money in the economy but on balance their closure would protect a wider range of activities key to the economy.

@CathTurnbull

A lot of musicians are working as supermarket delivery drivers or have casual work. It’s not really up to me to make suggestions- people have their own minds and hopefully some common sense. There are many sectors of people who have lost their jobs and livelihoods- just don’t see pubs and restaurants as a necessity

God forbid we have anything in our lives which isn't a 'necessity'.

What's your job? How 'neccessary' is it?

@ShamPayne

Eng123 - In the interests of beating coronavirus why don’t you give up your job? Oh, is it just the working class who should sacrifice a roof over their heads? Can’t have the superior WFH crew being in anyway inconvenienced.

I love the generalisation about those of us working from home!

Furlough in a more specific targeted way, needs to continue or we will have 10m or 15m + unemployed

Cath’s more than happy to make 1 in 10 immediately redundant because their jobs (also known as putting a roof over your head and food on your table) are mere fripperies. 🤦‍♀️
Tell me Cath, do you think the NHS pays for itself or do taxpayers pay for it? Maybe the tax from nearly 5 million hospitality workers gets put to good use?

@CathTurnbull

A lot of musicians are working as supermarket delivery drivers or have casual work. It’s not really up to me to make suggestions- people have their own minds and hopefully some common sense. There are many sectors of people who have lost their jobs and livelihoods- just don’t see pubs and restaurants as a necessity

Utterly clueless and callous

Good thing all those unemployed musicians have found work as supermarket delivery drivers. It wouldn't do to have to wait for one's vey neccessary Ocado delivery.

Absolutely not! We need to learn to live with this virus which thankfully for most will be very mild! We cannot afford to keep closing down certain sectors in fact we need to get everything open now and just keep washing our hands keeping distance where possible and the most vulnerable take extra precautions!

My musician friends haven't been able to find other jobs - they're not as easy to come by as some people think. They're a married couple who had zero income for months and both rely on the pubs and restaurants to book them to play. It's only this week they've actually had some bookings and can start earning money again.

The problem is economics salon owners are not immune to loss of income I doubt it will make a major difference to the rise in infections. The rise is mainly due to lack of social distances. Until this is addressed the incidence will continue to rise.

No its high time we learn to live with this virus and not shut down businesses which in turn can mean job losses.

Stop being so scared learn to be caution yes and thats it.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat it wasn't directly at you even more so that you say you didn't want to shut pubs salons etc .
I'm not sure why you took it personally.I wasn't saying all wfh people hate the the furloughed and want to shut pubs . I simply said the ones who have wfh are the ones moaning about the furloughed but at the same time saying shut the pubs . As this isn't you then it's not directed at you is it .
There have been countless furloughed bashing threads on here at those that can't quite get their head around the fact that not everyone can wfh and it's mainly people that have wfh or are key workers so sorry I generalised slightly but it was directed to the op not you .

[quote islockdownoveryet]@PinkSparklyPussyCat it wasn't directly at you even more so that you say you didn't want to shut pubs salons etc .
I'm not sure why you took it personally.I wasn't saying all wfh people hate the the furloughed and want to shut pubs . I simply said the ones who have wfh are the ones moaning about the furloughed but at the same time saying shut the pubs . As this isn't you then it's not directed at you is it .
There have been countless furloughed bashing threads on here at those that can't quite get their head around the fact that not everyone can wfh and it's mainly people that have wfh or are key workers so sorry I generalised slightly but it was directed to the op not you . [/quote]
Sorry for taking it personally. I'm feeling crap tonight so I'm going to blame it on that!

We're all in a shit situation. I'm luckier than a lot of people as I still have a job but I know that could change.

I have more sympathy for the thousands of musicians who have lost their income rather than pub or restaurant owners.
That's a really shitty comment .
You really are utterly clueless .

@PinkSparklyPussyCat don't worry we all need to vent. It's not my intention to upset anyone .

We need to learn to live with this virus which thankfully for most will be very mild! We cannot afford to keep closing down certain sectors in fact we need to get everything open now and just keep washing our hands keeping distance where possible and the most vulnerable take extra precautions!

Get ready for 10s of 1000s of deaths and an economy wrecked because no one wants to go out and socialise.

@jasjas1973

We need to learn to live with this virus which thankfully for most will be very mild! We cannot afford to keep closing down certain sectors in fact we need to get everything open now and just keep washing our hands keeping distance where possible and the most vulnerable take extra precautions!

Get ready for 10s of 1000s of deaths and an economy wrecked because no one wants to go out and socialise.

Fine. We’ll have 10 million unemployed and no NHS because we can’t afford it.

No. Fuck that.

@islockdownoveryet
Why do you assume I'm not working class because I'm office based?
I'm so thankful for the furlough scheme. Dare I say it - I've worked throughout the lockdown! Though I didn't use furlough personally I think we all benefited from it. If pubs/salons were to close I'd like to see a furlough scheme extended for the workers. I guess we will wait and see. I still think there are parts of society that need prioritising, even though it's a hard decision.

It’s a hard decision that won’t affect you. What a coincidence.

London was first to go into lockdown and it hasn't had any restrictions since, why is that? Because we're broadly on the whole sticking to the guidelines even though there have been the odd few illegal raves and mass protests.

Yes mass events might not be back for some time yet but on the whole life is broadly back to normal as best it can be so if everyone just sticks to the guidelines we can all get through it whilst trying to reduce the impact of jobs being lost as mich as possible.

Another lockdown will really throw more businesses than now to the wall the impact will be twice as bad.

Infections are rising but deaths aren't so isnt this aaying something, people are being infected almost like flu or cold and are recovering or have no symptoms at all .........so if deaths aren't rising then it should be treated like a flu, stay at home if your ill until you've recovered

I guess it’s households mixing that is causing the spike because we are all more tactile with friends and family. They can do that in the privacy of their own homes, in bars, restaurants or wherever they please.

I think what needs to happen is stricter fines for the those not complying.

By reading some of the threads on here - reporting is frowned upon and we should all be minding our own business. I believe some people can’t see the bigger picture or just don’t really care because it’s not convenient. Added to this those in the public and eye, footballers, celebrities and social media influencers seem to be blatantly breaking the rules and nobody is being held accountable. I reckon even those coming back from the hotspots outside the UK are not quarantining and nobody is checking.

I love the tunnel vision of some people. They don't use it / don't see it as necessary so they're happy to throw millions of peoples' livelihood under the bus, not to mention deprive millions more of the kind of amenities that make life worth living. Utterly clueless.

[quote Eng123]@islockdownoveryet
Why do you assume I'm not working class because I'm office based?
I'm so thankful for the furlough scheme. Dare I say it - I've worked throughout the lockdown! Though I didn't use furlough personally I think we all benefited from it. If pubs/salons were to close I'd like to see a furlough scheme extended for the workers. I guess we will wait and see. I still think there are parts of society that need prioritising, even though it's a hard decision.[/quote]
Yes you’re right. But again... we need to make sure any measures taken are effective and proportionate.
Closing down salons with absolutely no evidence that they’re causing substantial spread of the virus? Insanity.

[quote Eng123]@islockdownoveryet
Why do you assume I'm not working class because I'm office based?
I'm so thankful for the furlough scheme. Dare I say it - I've worked throughout the lockdown! Though I didn't use furlough personally I think we all benefited from it. If pubs/salons were to close I'd like to see a furlough scheme extended for the workers. I guess we will wait and see. I still think there are parts of society that need prioritising, even though it's a hard decision.[/quote]
But it's not a hard decision for you, is it?

You're not going to lose your job, or maybe see the business you've spent years building up collapse. I'm willing to bet you're not even going to miss an activity or service you enjoy, hence your breezy dismissing of entire sectors of the economy.

I notice you still haven't provided a shred of evidence to support your 'Close the pubs!' theories.

Not in general no.

Those who have great set ups and compliance etc should be allowed to run their business.

Everywhere I've been has been following all Covid secure guidance and I've felt safe.

But if places don't follow the guidance and allow mass parties etc then they should have set up a H and S task force to shut them down. The same way they would for any place of work breaking the guidance.

Especially as they will investigate schools under h and s if anyone from a school dies.

But I honestly don't see that a gym or pool or pub or whatever following the guidance properly is any more danger than a supermarket and less so than being at work in a school!