Isn't it time to close pubs and beauty salons

[Eng123]

We are seeing a spike if we closed these activities down for 1 month then its likely schools can remain open. It would seem an obvious choice. I know these businesses circulate money in the economy but on balance their closure would protect a wider range of activities key to the economy.

The regional spikes are down to beauty salons and hairdressers though so why shut them. Pointless. The spread appears to be in the young who are socialising lots. They aren't dying or needing hospital care in the main though. The death rate is still very low. We still have no cases in our local hospital and no one has died here in this area for months (from Covid) they are dying from other things though no one cares about that much... Covid trumps everything

Bloody hell. I've only just managed to get my eyebrows done.

Anyhow, it's more likely the wetherspoons factor than places often run by BAME women (in London at least) driving an increase.

I was in Germany and France not long ago and every time we went into a venue we had to provide details.

Was that an "unnecessary" holiday?

I live in the SW. As a region we rely massively in tourism, hospitality and entertainment. Another lockdown or shutting venues and pubs here will lead to many many businesses going bankrupt. Those businesses are employers of local,people. We don't have lots of other industries down here so that would lead to many people never working again and will fuck our economy; put more people into poverty; fuck the life chances of many children in the region.

We need to be wary of this virus, yes. We need to abide by the SD rules and especially younger people because we've all seen the groups of teenagers in parks etc. (I blame the parents but hey). But we cannot shut large and necessary parts of our economy down with no evidence that they are causing a rise in infections.

@CathTurnbull

I have more sympathy for the thousands of musicians who have lost their income rather than pub or restaurant owners.

Why?

Wednesday 9 Sep 2020 2:08 pm
A Nottinghamshire pub was forced to temporarily close after 12 customers tested positive for coronavirus.

The infected guests were part of a group of 20 who visited The Royal Oak in Broxtowe to celebrate a graduation.

Social interaction drives transmission and certain leisure activities involve lots of interaction. Add alcohol and it's an epidemic. Seems sensible to get the brakes on to protect the rest of the economy. The government scientific advisory group will hopefully have a handle on the most effective way to target the response. It would be nice if it were accompanied with financial support for those directly affected.

@Eng123

Social interaction drives transmission and certain leisure activities involve lots of interaction. Add alcohol and it's an epidemic. Seems sensible to get the brakes on to protect the rest of the economy. The government scientific advisory group will hopefully have a handle on the most effective way to target the response. It would be nice if it were accompanied with financial support for those directly affected.

There isn't much alcohol in beauty salon so why on earth do you think they should have to close? And why don't you want to close restaurants as you can drink alcohol there?

There isn't much alcohol in beauty salon so why on earth do you think they should have to close?

Because it's just soundbites, the OP hates everything she doesn't do and want them to close.

It's a agenda the OP will deny it.

No agenda here. I think that we are ag a tipping point and need to trim back on leisure/non essential activities to protect other parts of society/economy. Interesting after starting his tread the gov announced the recent changes so it underpins the need to act, they chose to change the group sizes to tackle ilegal gatherings.

@Eng123

No agenda here. I think that we are ag a tipping point and need to trim back on leisure/non essential activities to protect other parts of society/economy. Interesting after starting his tread the gov announced the recent changes so it underpins the need to act, they chose to change the group sizes to tackle ilegal gatherings.

You still haven’t given any justification for beauty salons.

Kaktus - do you have medically life threatening eye brows?

@Eng123

Kaktus - do you have medically life threatening eye brows?

No I don’t. I don’t actually use beauty salons myself at all. Do you have any evidence that transmission is occurring in beauty salons? Any at all? Do you know what safety procedures are involved?

@Eng123

Kaktus - do you have medically life threatening eye brows?

Mine can look a bit intimidating.

I don't have medically threatening Iranian ladies doing it either. Familiar and comfortable with mask use/face coverings, happy to follow rules for checking temperatures, full hygiene procedures in place long before this all started, chairs are socially distanced because they are bolted to the floor or you're in a private treatment room, already well ventilated, everything is cleaned between customers.

Out of all the various places you can go, a clean, quiet salon with clean staff wearing outfits only used at work and adhering to good hygiene practice for years is probably one of the safer ones.

It's certainly better than 380 kids in a Year 10 bubble or the queue for the bus.

Less threatening than year 10, but not quite so essential.

@Eng123

Less threatening than year 10, but not quite so essential.

I certainly didn't catch it from getting my eyebrows done in March.

Guess who I did catch it from?

But hey, it's only BAME women running their own businesses - let's just prevent them from doing so because you don't think their livelihoods are important, even though they really aren't a substantial risk.

Ultimately suppressing activity suppresses transmission. It just about choosing which activities we can most afford to suppress to protect those most essential. You could draw special case arguments for all most all industries. I just hope SAGE do have there finger on the pulse. Ubgoryunayley if we wait for solid data the impact is much larger than if we act early if clumsily.

• Unfortunately if we wait

God please no.
Us beauticians wearing visors, masks, plastic aprons and gloves running at higher costs with 50% capacity need to feed our families!

@Eng123

Ultimately suppressing activity suppresses transmission. It just about choosing which activities we can most afford to suppress to protect those most essential. You could draw special case arguments for all most all industries. I just hope SAGE do have there finger on the pulse. Ubgoryunayley if we wait for solid data the impact is much larger than if we act early if clumsily.

Wouldn't it make more sense to suppress activities that are actually a significant risk?

Or does Science not apply here?

@MitziK
I think the problem is that we don't have the data to analyse but if we wait it will be worse. We have to act on the best hypothesis we can form.

Pubs yes as none I know are complying in any way at all

Salons no yabu. Ive been really impressed. Temps being taken, everyone wearing masks and visors etc.. better than at some hospitals

We have to act on the best hypothesis we can form.

Which according to you is anything you don't use.

Less threatening than year 10, but not quite so essential.

I think those working in beauty salons find feeding their family and paying the mortgage pretty essential.

I get the impression Eng123 is a wind up merchant.

@Eng123

Ultimately suppressing activity suppresses transmission. It just about choosing which activities we can most afford to suppress to protect those most essential. You could draw special case arguments for all most all industries. I just hope SAGE do have there finger on the pulse. Ubgoryunayley if we wait for solid data the impact is much larger than if we act early if clumsily.

But you’re basing closing beauty salons on absolutely nothing. I’ve heard stories of outbreaks in pubs. I’ve heard no stories of outbreaks in beauty salons. None.