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Isn't it time to close pubs and beauty salons

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Eng123 · 08/09/2020 12:56

We are seeing a spike if we closed these activities down for 1 month then its likely schools can remain open. It would seem an obvious choice. I know these businesses circulate money in the economy but on balance their closure would protect a wider range of activities key to the economy.

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Eng123 · 08/09/2020 21:01

There is little point throwing insults around Sham. We will inevitably need to take steps to reduce transmission. Pubs, bars, cinemas and beauty shops would seem to be high risk activities a 2-4 week break just might make the difference.

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IcedPurple · 08/09/2020 21:03

What's your job, @Eng123? How essential is it? Would society really miss your industry if it were closed down overnight?

Kaktus · 08/09/2020 21:04

@Eng123

There is little point throwing insults around Sham. We will inevitably need to take steps to reduce transmission. Pubs, bars, cinemas and beauty shops would seem to be high risk activities a 2-4 week break just might make the difference.
Can you provide the numbers around virus transmission in pubs, bars, cinemas and beauty shops? Or are you actually suggesting closing these industries and taking away people’s livelihoods based on them seeming to be high risk activities? Can you not see how insane that is?
IcedPurple · 08/09/2020 21:04

@Eng123

There is little point throwing insults around Sham. We will inevitably need to take steps to reduce transmission. Pubs, bars, cinemas and beauty shops would seem to be high risk activities a 2-4 week break just might make the difference.
What's a 'beauty shop'?

And I see you've thrown in cinemas too!

And when you say 'seem to be high risk', what is the evidence which has led you to that conclusion?

itsgettingweird · 08/09/2020 21:04

They'd miss mine - a school!

And believe me I feel safer in the local pubs! At least there it's social distancing, everyone gems and hand washes. Screens etc.

ShamPayne · 08/09/2020 21:06

@Eng123

There is little point throwing insults around Sham. We will inevitably need to take steps to reduce transmission. Pubs, bars, cinemas and beauty shops would seem to be high risk activities a 2-4 week break just might make the difference.
Yeah, it will make a huge difference - lots of them will go bankrupt. But I guess they can all get jobs delivering your Ocado shop.
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Eng123 · 08/09/2020 21:07

Due to a la k of good recording and tracking I don't think that the is much evidence available on successful curbs. Entertainments usually involve social interaction and alcohol the lowering of inhibitions so pubs would seem a good place to start. Perhaps a short lock down now would avoid worse latter.

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ShamPayne · 08/09/2020 21:07

You’re delusional

IcedPurple · 08/09/2020 21:08

@Eng123

Due to a la k of good recording and tracking I don't think that the is much evidence available on successful curbs. Entertainments usually involve social interaction and alcohol the lowering of inhibitions so pubs would seem a good place to start. Perhaps a short lock down now would avoid worse latter.
Right. So no evidence then.
Kaktus · 08/09/2020 21:11

@Eng123

Due to a la k of good recording and tracking I don't think that the is much evidence available on successful curbs. Entertainments usually involve social interaction and alcohol the lowering of inhibitions so pubs would seem a good place to start. Perhaps a short lock down now would avoid worse latter.
Ah ok, so we should close them down based on no evidence then. Fab.
ceeveebee · 08/09/2020 21:12

I do think that there needs to be better enforcement of the guidance.
People aren’t following guidance in pubs and restaurants round here. There are lots of tables of mixed households indoors (and we are in a local lockdown area too). Rarely get asked for contact details. Tables are too small to socially distance. If they want to stay open they need to do it properly.

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Eng123 · 08/09/2020 21:12

I've moved industries over the years because they contracted or moved abroad. I've been lucky personally but I do have a lot of empathy for those threatened by this. My role is not safe as such, Brexit is a huge threat to me too so it's a worrying time all round.

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IcedPurple · 08/09/2020 21:13

Also, I wasn't aware that getting your nails done or your hair cut tended to "involve social interaction and alcohol the lowering of inhibitions"? I must be going to the wrong 'beauty shops'.

SueEllenMishke · 08/09/2020 21:14

Due to a la k of good recording and tracking I don't think that the is much evidence available on successful curbs. Entertainments usually involve social interaction and alcohol the lowering of inhibitions so pubs would seem a good place to start. Perhaps a short lock down now would avoid worse latter.

So literally no evidence.... just uninformed 'opinion'

But yeah lets shut down an entire sector, close businesses ( probably forever), make millions unemployed etc etc

The knock on effect on other industries would also be devastating ( my friend has been made redundant from a carpet factory- they usually provide carpets for the leisure industry but not this year ...) people are so blinkered

IcedPurple · 08/09/2020 21:15

@Eng123

I've moved industries over the years because they contracted or moved abroad. I've been lucky personally but I do have a lot of empathy for those threatened by this. My role is not safe as such, Brexit is a huge threat to me too so it's a worrying time all round.
Well, according to a poster above there's no problem finding work as a supermarket delivery driver so provided your driving licence is up to date you're sorted!
AlecTrevelyan006 · 08/09/2020 21:15

@CathTurnbull

A lot of musicians are working as supermarket delivery drivers or have casual work. It’s not really up to me to make suggestions- people have their own minds and hopefully some common sense. There are many sectors of people who have lost their jobs and livelihoods- just don’t see pubs and restaurants as a necessity
you are bonkers
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Eng123 · 08/09/2020 21:15

I dont think there is any good evidence yet. So its just as valid to state that the is no evidence suggesting that transmissions in pubs is low. Lacking evidence you have to base decisions on assumptions and priorities. It's a tough call but we can't ignore it forever.

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Bourbonbiccy · 08/09/2020 21:15

A few pubs in our area have had to close and one then led to a school shutting as the individual worked at both.

I would definitely prefer it to be pubs than schools if we needed to reduce mixing again.

IcedPurple · 08/09/2020 21:18

@Eng123

I dont think there is any good evidence yet. So its just as valid to state that the is no evidence suggesting that transmissions in pubs is low. Lacking evidence you have to base decisions on assumptions and priorities. It's a tough call but we can't ignore it forever.
When you say there is no 'good evidence' what you really mean is no evidence... at all.

And stop pretending that this is any sort of 'tough call' for you. A "tough call" for you would be people on the internet demanding that your unnamed industry be shut down, with no evidence as to why. You don't care about pubs, 'beauty shops' of the many people who work there, so stop pretending that you do.

Kaktus · 08/09/2020 21:19

@Eng123

I dont think there is any good evidence yet. So its just as valid to state that the is no evidence suggesting that transmissions in pubs is low. Lacking evidence you have to base decisions on assumptions and priorities. It's a tough call but we can't ignore it forever.
That would make sense if closing down industries was cost free. It isn’t. You simply cannot destroy livelihoods based on no evidence. Why beauty salons and cinemas? Why not gyms? Why not theme parks? You can’t just pluck random industries out of the air, just because you think they might be a problem.
Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 08/09/2020 21:20

@SueEllenMishke

Due to a la k of good recording and tracking I don't think that the is much evidence available on successful curbs. Entertainments usually involve social interaction and alcohol the lowering of inhibitions so pubs would seem a good place to start. Perhaps a short lock down now would avoid worse latter.

So literally no evidence.... just uninformed 'opinion'

But yeah lets shut down an entire sector, close businesses ( probably forever), make millions unemployed etc etc

The knock on effect on other industries would also be devastating ( my friend has been made redundant from a carpet factory- they usually provide carpets for the leisure industry but not this year ...) people are so blinkered

Very
SueEllenMishke · 08/09/2020 21:20

@Eng123

I dont think there is any good evidence yet. So its just as valid to state that the is no evidence suggesting that transmissions in pubs is low. Lacking evidence you have to base decisions on assumptions and priorities. It's a tough call but we can't ignore it forever.
You can't make decisions like this with no evidence. These are people's livelihoods ffs.

In some areas there is evidence that socialising in pubs had caused a spike ( Bolton) a d this has been dealt with on a local level which makes sense.
I live in a hotspot and it's household transmission that's the issue not pubs ..... beauty salons, cinemas etc haven't even been able to open fully yet so we can't blame them either.

IwishIwasyoda · 08/09/2020 21:21

I think the gov should create jobs - covid compliance inspectors who just drop in to check the rules are being followed in pubs, workplaces at high risk (i.e. manufacturing, warehouses etc). I have seen good practice in pubs / restaurants and frankly a lot of turning a blind eye to meet ups from lots of different households, tables too close together and jam-packed etc. Where i live the cases have tended to be because of risky workplace practice, pubs, and extended family/friend home parties

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Eng123 · 08/09/2020 21:22

@Iced
I have empathy with those whose jobs are impacted by COVID. Mine maybe or by Brexit yet. But to do nothing is likely to lead to more economic impacts and heartache.

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IcedPurple · 08/09/2020 21:23

[quote Eng123]@Iced
I have empathy with those whose jobs are impacted by COVID. Mine maybe or by Brexit yet. But to do nothing is likely to lead to more economic impacts and heartache.[/quote]
So are you suggesting we shut down your industry?