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To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2

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Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 · 22/10/2023 08:43

First thread here but it’s full
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4918938-to-think-its-turning-into-genocide-in-real-time?page=1

Medical Aid to Palestine posted this thread on facebook describing the scenes in Gaza as being like the last days of humanity with one of their staff members having to search through piles of bodies to find his 13 year old niece https://www.facebook.com/100064712829372/posts/pfbid028yxpzimtA3apA6CSs8dEhJBd16rYUQR6QjFidEpwRCZzPVYoeJezX8nDrtZP2UZRl/?app=fbl

The main stream press aren’t really addressing the horror of what is happening (bar maybe Channel 4 news and Al Jazeera) - it’s a sanitised version.

As I said in the original thread, there has been absolute horror on both sides but the Israeli government are inflicting collective punishment on the people of Gaza, which is a war crime under international law.

I still feel we are watching genocide in real time.

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Just seen this on the news- how can this be right? It genuinely is starting to feel like genocide. What Hamas did was beyond appalling. But this i...

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CosimoPiovasco · 06/11/2023 00:19

ItsRainingTacos79 · 06/11/2023 00:15

Unbelievable

www.instagram.com/p/CzSAgMfA3wl/

Absolute disgrace.
How can doctors support this massacre.
What the hell is wrong with these people

Creatingusernamesismygame · 06/11/2023 00:23

Coughingdodger · 05/11/2023 11:49

PP fancies her/himself as a lawyer, twisting words and using semantics to distract from what’s going on.
We’re not in a courtroom now, love. We’re on an online forum, commenting on the atrocities that are being reported live by multiple international news outlets and acknowledging comments made by institutions such as the UN that Israel is committing war crimes.

I’m not a lawyer, love, so clearly I don’t have access to what’s been submitted to the ICC (although I hear that Israel doesn’t consider itself beholden to the ICC anyway). So it’s pointless demanding inside information about what’s been submitted to the ICC.

All I can say is that murdering thousands of innocent children is a crime in my book - and I’m certainly not alone in saying that.

You are most definitely not alone in saying that!

Desertrose2023 · 06/11/2023 05:53

mydiaryisfull · 05/11/2023 10:59

That is incorrect.

I don't think you know what 'genocide' means?

To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group.

Israel have never said that.

Hamas, on the other hand, have the destruction of the State of Israel as part of their manifesto.

To prove 'genocide' evidence must be submitted to the International Criminal Court.
Someone upthread has said that 'this is being looked into'. So I'm waiting for more info to see who this is.

Here you go

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzRiPS9LrjI/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzRiPS9LrjI/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Coughingdodger · 06/11/2023 08:29

Despite all my pro-Palestine posts I do think Israel should exist. But I don’t see how things can continue after this in their current form. Too much damage has been done over the past few years, leading to this utter catastrophe.

I think the layout is odd and Gaza should not be almost completely encircled by a hostile state. Imo there should be a rearrangement so that Gaza is not encircled and Israel can protect its borders without imprisoning another country.

Israel should then be absolutely obliged to keep to agreed borders and any infractions should lead to severe international penalties/sanctions.

HOWEVER changing the layout would mean obliging people to move their homes so I don’t know how that would go. The “well-meaning” West has tried to move people around before and it usually doesn’t go well (although it eventually worked in India - or did it?!)

Parkingt111 · 06/11/2023 08:34

The heads of all major UN agencies have issued a rare joint statement calling for an "immediate humanitarian ceasefire" saying "enough is enough".

To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2
ssd · 06/11/2023 08:57

Israeli government its above the UN though. They'll probably bomb a major UN base after this statement. They are inhuman.

ssd · 06/11/2023 08:58

Sorry thinks its above

Efacsen · 06/11/2023 09:13

Israel has kept it's promise to 'significantly increase humanitarian aid' over the last week

So it's gone from 4% of what is needed to 6% of the amount needed

50% is a significant increase but nowhere near enough - particularly as there are large amounts of aid in Egypt just waiting on Israels agreement to be delivered

UNWRA confirmed yesterday that NONE of the aid had fallen into the hands of Hamas

So what's the excuse now?

Parkingt111 · 06/11/2023 09:16

Efacsen · 06/11/2023 09:13

Israel has kept it's promise to 'significantly increase humanitarian aid' over the last week

So it's gone from 4% of what is needed to 6% of the amount needed

50% is a significant increase but nowhere near enough - particularly as there are large amounts of aid in Egypt just waiting on Israels agreement to be delivered

UNWRA confirmed yesterday that NONE of the aid had fallen into the hands of Hamas

So what's the excuse now?

Exactly
And whilst we keep being told that they are not targeting civilians not a genocide etc
A HUNDRED doctors have signed a letter calling on the government to bomb hospital In Gaza
Totally sadistic
This link is to the Jewish Voice for Peace instagram page which were one of the first pages to expose it
Although it's widely circulated in Israel most media outlets still haven't reported it

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzSAgMfA3wl/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2
flufferknutter · 06/11/2023 09:23

Fox 'News'?! 😂😂😂

It'll be The Sunday Sport next 🤦🏻‍♀️

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 06/11/2023 09:29

This war has stopped being revenge and has instead become opportunism.

flufferknutter · 06/11/2023 09:31

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 06/11/2023 09:29

This war has stopped being revenge and has instead become opportunism.

Mainly because they haven't been challenged by the international community. They know they can fully realise their aims of getting rid of Palestinians without any consequences.

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 06/11/2023 10:22

Interesting.

To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2
Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 06/11/2023 10:32

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzTHfaMqPus/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

This was today. A palestinian journalists family home was hit by an istaeli air strike today. They where all killed.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzTHfaMqPus?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

immigrant002 · 06/11/2023 10:42

@mydiaryisfull

"To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group.

"
There are several quotes from netanyahu government doing just that ! Would you like me to list them ??

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 06/11/2023 10:58

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzH2qbsux9C/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Does anyone know the name of this gentleman? He is very brave in my opinion. He is israeli for anyone who doesn't want to open it..and he is defending palestine.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzH2qbsux9C?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

FOJN · 06/11/2023 11:15

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 06/11/2023 10:58

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzH2qbsux9C/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Does anyone know the name of this gentleman? He is very brave in my opinion. He is israeli for anyone who doesn't want to open it..and he is defending palestine.

Looks like Gideon Levy. He's a journalist who writes for Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper.

FOJN · 06/11/2023 11:17

I've no idea how accurate his wiki page is given the amount of "editing" taking place on the pages of anyone who criticises Israel at the moment.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_Levy

CosimoPiovasco · 06/11/2023 12:30

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 06/11/2023 10:22

Interesting.

This is how their propaganda machine works.
And so many will fall for it

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 06/11/2023 12:31

Thank you @FOJN
Yes I saw something about istaelis being asked to edit wiki pages!

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 06/11/2023 13:21

also there is no freedom to practice any religion other than Judaism it seems.

Christians where punished and sentenced for talking about Jesus. This was around Easter time this year.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzHT4_nohUp/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

In palestine, any faith can live and practice.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzHT4_nohUp?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

flufferknutter · 06/11/2023 13:33

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 06/11/2023 12:43

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzRxa-noxrQ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

He has a point!!

This chap is allowed to say more than we are in this country. I've noticed censorship and manipulation going on all over the place, including here. I'm glad he feels liberated because I don't.

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 06/11/2023 13:35

@flufferknutter Agree. Whatever you say here will be twisted and changed to fit what they want to accuse you of. Shocking really.

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